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I think they mean it's part of the standard library, instead of being a separate library.


You mean they went to the codex bug tracker, on github, and they don't know how to use git?

Well that is kind of ironic, isn't it?


Yeah, but you could also kill that business model without any legislation by simply... not visiting those websites.


I already don't, and yet I still have to deal with the fallout from its harmful effects on society. More drastic measures are needed.


You need to be more realist.

"Uses the personal information of the user to advertise"

Is 99.9% of all websites. So long as websites don't sell things, they will be having ads.

This includes Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, Twitter, Tumblr, Pinterest, Imgur, TikTok, Twitch, Youtube, etc. I think even Steam and other game platforms would fall into this category despite the fact they make money selling products. Naturally search engines also fall into this category.

Websites like HN are the exception, not the norm.

It's also disingenuous to say "a personal blog" would be exempt from this when most people don't have blogs in first place since they start microblogging instead. In fact, most people don't want to go through the trouble of maintaining their own blog, dealing with spam, hosting, hacking attempts, software updates, etc., when they can just use tumblr and pin the responsibility on the platform anytime something bad happens.


> Is 99.9% of all websites.

Not at all. You named eleven. Even if I'm generous and raise that by a couple of orders of magnitude, it's still a miniscule fraction of all websites.

Of course it's close to all big tech platforms, but that's not the same thing. And if one of the results of this whole kerfluffle is to make more people realize that the big tech platforms are not the same as "the Internet" or "the Web", that would be a good thing.

> Websites like HN are the exception, not the norm.

Which makes it even more important to ask the question of whether "exception" websites like this one can continue to survive if this bill becomes law. Sure, HN users are a tiny fraction of all Internet users. But that's supposed to be one of the things the Internet is for--to give even very small communities a place where they can be a community, and not have to worry about all the other crap that's out there, and not have to be micromanaged by politicians and lobbyists and tech giants.

> It's also disingenuous to say "a personal blog" would be exempt from this when most people don't have blogs in first place since they start microblogging instead

Not all blogging platforms use targeted ads. And if this gives more of them an incentive not to, that would be a good thing.


You're way underestimating how many boring websites there are. County records websites, tax filing websites, dmv portals, shipping trackers...


It's really absurd that we've boiled the frog until "ads in smart TVs UIs are normal" and now the goalpost was moved to "recording the consumer to show more ads"


The frog boiled itself. Consumers decided they want lower prices rather than privacy.

This is old news. The vast majority prefer free with ads over paid.


It used to be that real life was anonymous, then people started pointing cameras to everyone in public all the time. Now they want to deanonimize communications you make from inside your private residence.

Eventually you'll get a chip implanted in your brain that just sends everything you see and hear to the cloud. Because why not? Privacy doesn't matter anyway!


If service A asks you for a photo of your ID/face to confirm age

and service B asks for a photo of your ID/face to give you access to your account

that's basically using the same password in two places except you will never be able to rotate your password.


lol. And passwords must be hashed, right?

How is the public supposed to know how the black box of an online service handles their data?


With Zig, I can just import SDL.h and use it without writing a binding.

Can I do that in C3 or Odin?


And then you can get AI do a nicer port of SDL.zig and you get way better decls.

Proper enums, proper tagged unions, and often reading the docs can allow the AI to distinguish T * to one of

1. [*]T

2. [:0]T

3. ?T

4. *T

And these are just the most common ones. If you know it’s a read only pointer/array then you can add the const modifier


Odin has SDL built into the language (shipped as a vendored library).


That's not what I mean...

There is a mountain of code written in C that you can simply include in Zig without a wrapper dependency and without having to create the wrapper yourself.


The Zig C import is going away, moving into a tool invoked from build.zig, so this might not be an ideal thing to point to.

C3 just has everything C compatible so not just calling into C but also C calling to C3 is just completely normal with no special compatibility types/functions, unlike Zig.

So which one has the most compelling feature kind of boils down to what one focuses on.

You can find Odin users that praise Odin for finding their sweet spot. Similarly for C3 users, just like Zig users.

And in each of those, they will say that the others didn’t quite match what they wanted (not in all cases though: the relatively high visibility of Zig means a lot of its users is unaware of the languages with less visibility, and just pick it by default)


I wonder if packed union also got/will get the same "logical bits" treatment?


My understanding is that the "logical bits" view breaks down for unions, because the nth logical bit could be at different offsets depending on the union variant that's considered active.


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