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I read it the opposite way:

- I feel more passion from the author.

- I value the pride they show in their work.

- I know many people actually care about beauty. In fact, with the same amount of bugs, the users of the most beautiful software will actually report it's less buggy.

The problem is when someone makes appearances more important than being useful.

But I want to give this project the benefit of the doubt.

We need more browser diversity.


How do you know it was one of the developers who wrote this? Maybe they hired someone to create the site and the content. Granted, the site is in the repo and you can see who committed the assets. But that still doesn't tell you who originally wrote it.


The developers either created or commissioned the website. Accordingly, I think we can safely assume it conveys their goals.


You're suggesting one of the developers went through all the trouble to create a browser, then allowed someone to add assets to the repo without the developer reviewing them first?


I'm suggesting that you don't know who wrote the content. You don't know the developers wrote it. And if a non-developer wrote it, then that person probably isn't going to commit the content to a repo.


The first sentence in the first paragraph on the website is "beautifully designed". Clearly the creator wants to bring to our attention that they spent a lot of time designing the visual aspects of this browser. And from the looks of things, this is indeed true. The browser does look very beautiful.

But... this is literally form over function.

Browsers should be like car tyres. Only after you have selected for your functional use case and requirements, do you filter for visual aesthetics.


This is based on Firefox, so it doesn’t really help with browser diversity.

Ladybird does, but it’s not really ready for prime time yet


Of course it does.

Right now FF shares are so low devs are ignoring it.

If more browsers use this engine, more devs will test with it.

Also, if it reaches success, it make FF future more robust, which also helps with future diversity.


No way.

If google decides that they don’t want to fund Mozilla anymore, then these Firefox derivatives fall as well. I don’t really see the zen team (or other ff forks) hiring the FF devs that are making 6 figures at Mozilla.

If Firefox decides to deeply ingrain some DRM standard, there’s a high likelihood that it’ll be included in downstream browsers like this one, unless they are privacy nuts like librewolf.

We need entirely new browsers that are more than window dressing on top of existing ones.


Remember what happened to Thunderbird, though. Mozilla dropped it, and it got better. There are good reasons to think that Mozilla - the corporate entity - is cancer.


Isn’t thunderbird still part of Mozilla?

It says it still is on their site.


Nominally yes, and insofar as the Mozilla Foundation is "Mozilla". Even then, the relationship is ceremonial.

And Mozilla Corp is something different altogether.


If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, odds are it’s a duck.


... what?


If the shoe fits


These are not good comments.


To me, they were clear, informative, and amusingly expressed.

But then I am a native speaker and a Brit and these are abbreviations of familiar expressions.


> Thunderbird operates in a for-profit subsidiary of the non-profit Mozilla Foundation.

I guess the answer is yes.


Not really, no, it is not.

T'bird is owned and run by a for-profit company called MZLA.

That company is owned by the non-profit Mozilla Foundation but Mozilla does not own, run, operate, or control Thunderbird.

Comparison: Pret a Manger, the fancy sandwich chain, is part-owned by Mcdonald's. But you can't buy a Big Mac in Pret, and you can't buy a Pret fancy noodle salad in McDonald's.


This list is not meant to say "this is the best language for this", but rather, "you'll have an interesting learning experience with this":

- web backend => ruby (with RoR)

- web frontend => JS

- network => go

- gui => dart

- perf sensitive => rust

- mac os only => swift

- windows only => F#

- cli scripting => nim

- embed => zig

- new perspective on programming => lisp

- want to experience clean theoretical concept => haskell

- need super reliable service => erlang

- lots of data processing => julia

- lots of number exploration => j

- video game => C# (with unity)

And I say this as someone who would likely use Python for 80% of those.


How is Nim for cli scripting? I tend to use Bash for simple scripts, and Python once I need more than one command line argument. I've been looking for a compelling case to try out Nim.


It's Python-like, but it compiles, so you get a stand alone exec like go, that you can copy on other machines without having to provide an interpretter.

It's better than bash for anything longer than 5 lines, works on Windows and Unix and has a lean syntax.

Now I would use Python for scripting, especially since uv and hatch have inline deps support now, so it's a blast.

But OP is looking for something new, so I list things he may enjoy learning, in a context that would make it enjoyable to learn.


When making small Nim programs for the CLI, https://github.com/c-blake/cligen makes for a pretty simple API (just 1 line of code) that gets you nice CLI syntax, color auto-generated help messages, etc.


Swift is not Mac OS only, it’s actually cross platform. Maybe you’re referring to Mac OS/ios swift sdk that is platform specific


The article talks about JSON-LD, but there is also shema.org and open graph.

What which one should you use, and why?

Should you use several? How does that impact the site?


JSON-LD uses schema.org schema


But very helpfully Google supports...mostly schema.org except when they don't when they feel like it.


*by the very same companies that made bank from the web openness.


It's like people expect NASA to be infallible.


No, people look at what NASA was able to accomplish during the 1960s and compare it to now, and wonder how the level of competence can be so drastically lower now vs. then. NASA was not infallible during the 1960s, but the level of engineering competence was much higher.


Since 2004:

- They sent 4 rovers to Mars, a freaking helicopter, and confirmed water presence.

- They launched 2 telescopes, with Webb forcing us to rethink our model of the universe.

- They made New Horizons do a flyby... of Pluto.

- And they collected samples from the near-Earth asteroid Bennu!

If that's not the demonstration of anything but drastically high competence to you, nothing is.

At this stage, I have to believe you are a troll.


You think a telescope that launched over a decade late and cost 10x the budget is a mark of "high competence"? I don't think being a useful science tool is enough.

What's the other telescope you have in mind?

And those two free telescopes from NRO are still sitting idle. One of them is supposed to finally launch after 15 years, though apparently it's in such a complex and high budget mission it might not be saving any money to use it there.


High competence in unmanned missions. But not in manned missions.


Well my first thought to answer that question is -- how do the funding levels compare between now and then?


The combined Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs cost around $30 billion in then year dollars, which equates to about $300 billion in today's dollars. That's an average of about $25 billion a year over 12 years. That's about the same as what is being spent per year on NASA now.


But it’s now spread across many, many more missions. People sometimes forget that human exploration is just one of multiple directorates within NASA.


NASA was doing plenty of unmanned missions during the Mercury-Gemini-Apollo years: the Explorer, Pioneer, Echo, Ranger, Telstar, Mariner, Lunar Explorer, and Surveyor programs all had multiple missions in that time period. So no, I don't buy the argument that NASA has to spread its budget over many more missions now as compared to then.


Many of those you mentioned are still part of the goal of getting a human on the moon. That's like saying Starliner's Demo flights don't count as human-rated because they were uncrewed. About a one third to one half of NASA's budget is dedicated to exploration and space operations which is a better comparison for what you're driving at. The rest is spread across science, aeronautics, environmental, educational outreach, and other goals.


> Many of those you mentioned are still part of the goal of getting a human on the moon.

Some of them were for getting more detailed information about the Moon prior to sending the Apollo missions there. But most of them were general solar system exploration.

> That's like saying Starliner's Demo flights don't count as human-rated because they were uncrewed.

No, it isn't. The counterpart in the 1960s to these missions would be the uncrewed flights of the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo spacecraft that were done prior to the first crewed missions. I did not include those in the unmanned missions I listed.


Just like the hundred of previous similar events, they will not.


Everybody wants a benevolent dictator to take care of things for them until they are victims of power abuse for an edge case they didn't predict yet was inevitable.


It doesn't even have to be an edge case. Many people support horrible things seemingly under the assumption that the government that changes control every 4-12 years will never change again.

Maybe it's rational on some level; if you manage to give the people you prefer limitless power while they rule, maybe they'll become powerful enough to end elections.

edit: of course Moraes did the same for Bolsonaro as for Lula. Some people's ideologies rest mainly on their hatred of the general population, not a preference for the rule of any particular party.


It's not rational, most people are not rational.


Exactly. I am seeing a trend of people shriek about censorship free social media or censorship free LLMs or whatever else. Initially it made me think they are just so conditioned to be controlled and ‘guided’ by an authoritarian power that they can’t help but call for reduced individual freedoms. But actually I think it is simply that they are personally aligned with the current ‘benevolent dictatorships’ because they see it as giving their tribe power. But if they were victims of the abuse - meaning the people they seek to control/censor/suppress - they would absolutely not hold this view.


It's not about right or left, the biggest populists in the 90's were labeling themselves as communists or socialists.


There were nazis, fascists and nationalists too. They were just not in the mainstream.


Getting in the way of powerful people getting more power is always punished more harshly than anything else, including murder.

In this case, he annoyed powerful IP owners, and those people in our current society are as powerful as they get.


Your comment appears to have been downvoted for being inconvenient, despite its truth.


I downvoted it because it's untrue. As the article says, his coconspirators got 30 and 31 months respectively, which is much lower than New Zealand's mandatory minimum of 120 months for murder. (I would have responded directly, but in my experience commenters who start talking about things like "powerful people getting more power" aren't generally interested in a discussion about whether the claims they make are true.)


Yeah but he got a _decade_ of _world-wide_ man chase and legal arm wrestling.

That's 2 orders of magnitude up the resources invested.

And not even for stealing in the case of Mega, but for assumed money people would have paid to IP owners if the service hadn't existed. Which is a premise pirates have been debunking for years.

When I used mega, I didn't have the money for the content. Today I pay for netflix and steam games.

This is not about justice, this is about power.


I asked for direct quotes, but got turned down with general corp speak.


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