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Wow .. really! Definitely testing that out a few times meself


they were! now they are not


Conveniently Opus 5.5 is actually usable vs 5.

But I'm still for investing in local models.


Yeah, with Opus 5.5, my impression is that the OpenAI $200 plan was already worse than the Anthropic $200 plan. Sol 6.1 might have tilted the balance in OpenAI's favor again, but these changes more than negate that.

I'll cancel my OpenAI plan after this billing cycle. Let's see how this plays out.


Phew! Thank you! I feel for the ungodly fahrenheit again


I quite like Fahrenheit. The 0 to 100F (-17 to 37C) range perfectly encapsulates the range of outdoor temperatures I expect to encounter during the year. If the forecast is outside that range, it’s going to be miserable.


Same. I prefer Celsius for most other things but I find Fahrenheit very well suited to climate usage.


Fahrenheit is the superior measure


counterpoint: it doesn't matter, since you need to learn relevant boiling/freezing temperatures on both scales anyway.

As a european: F is the only american system that is easy to use and reason with (considering its 0-100 range is spanning the "doable" temp range of too-cold to too-hot), unlike other imperial systems for lengths and whatnot.


I would argue feet and inches are pretty good too, since there’s a foot on your body, and a thumb, too, for inches.

Weight, mass and considerable distances, I’ll grant you, though.


let me show you the size difference between my wife's thumb and mine, and let's debate again.


I feel like you’re intentionally misrepresenting me. I’m obviously talking about number sense, mental visualization, etc.


Better for day to day life, worse for science and engineering.


Is it really better for day to day life? I am certain that it only appears so because you're used to it. I think for day to day life they're both roughly equivalent.

Of course, for me Celsius is more natural and intuitive, but again - that's because I'm used to it.


You can basically put a "%" after a fahrenheit temperature and read it as "percentage of a really hot day" and you'll get a pretty good idea what it feels like outside.

It's pretty well calibrated as a 0-100 scale for human temperature perception.


I moved from a cold climate to a tropical climate and let me assure you there's no human universal understanding of what's comfortably hot or cold, definitely not to the point of putting a percentage on it. I can walk around in a T-shirt and shorts at 17C (62f) while locals will be wrapping up in scarves and talking about how freezing it is. Meanwhile they'll be fairly comfortable at 35C (95f), at least if the humidity isn't high, and I'll be stuck in with the AC blasting.

So in other words Fahrenheit is a western centric measurement (or at least, temperature climate centric), while Celsius is universal.


The subjective experience doesn’t really matter because many places in the US will experience a 100 degree F range over an entire year. So it’s not the “comfortable range” but the actual range you’ll get in many parts of the US (whether you like it or not).


Right, but "room temperature" is pretty universal everywhere because we are going with the "average human" rather than "outliers exist and maybe feel differently"


No it's not. Room temperature in tropical countries is often 26-30C.

I work in the food industry and this whole "room temperature" thing is a major bugbear for me actually because when so much food dates markings are designed around a room temperature of ~22C, it's a big health and safety issue for people (and shops, warehouses, restaurants) who don't know that and happily store the goods up to the date marking at 30C. Deciding that room temperature ~=22C and basing worldwide food safety on that is absolutely Western centric.

Obviously people here are not stupid and don't store meat etc. past when it's gone bad. But I've often bought e.g. oils from suppliers and it's clear that it's on the edge of rancidity even though it's got a year+ to go on the date because it's been stored at "room temperature".


> Right, but "room temperature" is pretty universal everywhere

Yes. And it is between 16 °C and 30 °C. (depending if the test room has AC or not).

But as you say: it is pretty universal everywhere.


The US has the widest range of temperatures of any country. Locations can vary by >50°C in a 24 hour period. Extreme temperatures are familiar to Americans and their society is well-adapted to it.

Calling Fahrenheit "western centric" is nonsensical. Every other country has a narrower temperature range that fits within the US temperature range.


> The US has the widest range of temperatures of any country

I assure you it does not. But I guess American Exceptionalism makes you want to believe that so go ahead.

A 5s google search suggests the country with the widest range is probably Russia.


It doesn't map nearly as well for those of us who regularly have temperatures under -17C/0F in the winter. For me Celsius maps a LOT better to the temperatures I actually deal with year round. -17C is, accounting for wind chill, an average-ish winter day, that I'd consider pretty comfortable at this time of the year, assuminv appropriate clothing.


You can do the same thing with celsius if you live in a country with a different temperature "calendar".

I'm used to the idea that 0C is what splits the year between cold season and warm season. Obviously people from California will see it differently, for example.

So where I live it is like this:

30 or more - hot

15..30 warm

0..15 chilly

-15..0 calendar winter

-30..-15 real winter

..-30 - freezing, kinds younger than 12 don't go to school


Sure, but we usually don't judge things on a scale from -30 to +30.

Judging anything on a scale from 0-10 (or 0-100) is very common.


Yes, but that the whole problem: this scale kind of suggests that you don't go below 0.

But this is not the case here, right?

Some people are used to higher temperatures and never seen snow while some people can't even imagine what it's like to have 40C (104F) outside.

0C is a great "common denominator" (irony). We all understand that generally this is when water changes its state and most people know how it feels.

And then your imagination can easily go lower or higher.

>Judging anything on a scale from 0-10 (or 0-100) is very common.

Now consider that many people live in places where 0F is warmer than what you actually have for a good part of a year.


It's just how some Americans justify this particular measurement system.

As you said: it's what you're used to. I know 100F is a very warm day, but if someone said it was 50F I wouldn't intrinsically know how warm or cold that is. My brain works in Celsius, so someone saying its 20C I understand instantly.

Similarly length in US football fields - I don't know what that is, but it's second nature to someone who did grow up using them as a measurement.


100F is about peak summer heat; 0F is about peak winter chills. Works great for describing weather .. in various places.


Arizona says "hold my boiling beer".


I have slept in a tent in -31 F, what is this "peak winter chills" you claim to speak of?


Kelvin is superior for science and engineering but doesn't arbitrarily anchor the scale to the freezing and boiling point of water in the way Celsius and Fahrenheit both do.

273.15 Kelvin doesn't roll off the tongue like 0°C or 32°F.


32°F and 212°F roll off the tongue?


Relatively speaking? Yes. Also, the layman rarely needs to know the boiling point of water. The freezing point is useful though.

For serious scientific and engineering applications the freezing and boiling point of water isn't actually 0°C and 100°C in most real scenarios.


Doesn’t almost everybody cook? With boiling water?


Yeah, but you don't need a thermometer for that.

Using zero as the freezing point of water makes sense for everyday use, and using the boiling point for 100 degrees does follow fairly naturally from that - but plenty of other potential reference points could have worked equally well.

That said, for all the American claims of "fahrenheit is more human", 100 °C is the temperature of a hot sauna so works much better as "the highest temperature you'll encounter in day to day life" than 100 °F.


> "fahrenheit is more human"

This is among the least stupid claims us Americans make in defense of our measurement system.


It doesn't anchor the scale to water, but it still scales the scale to water since it's still exactly 100 degrees between its boiling point and freezing point.


At sea level (or more precisely, at an atmospheric pressure of 101325Pa).


You mean 273.15°K.


>Better for day to day life

It is not.


really is, and I grew up in celsius.



Man, this is serious! My wife is on a challenging treatment, and one of its side effects is depression. That opened my eye on a whole new meaning for the word. Thank you!


Yes! Still there will be a remaining huge code base to be maintained.


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