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> What if we built simulated environments where AIs could gather embodied experience? Would we be able to create learning scenarios where agents could learn some of these cognitive primitives, and could that generalize to improve LLMs? There are a few papers that I found that poke in this direction.

Simulation Theory boosted! We're all just models in training.


You did not ask the same thing. You framed the question such that readers are supposed to look at their current lives and realize nothing is different ergo AGI is lame. Your approach utilizes the availability bias and argument from consequences logical fallacies.

I think what you are trying to say is can we define AGI so that we can have an intelligent conversation about what that will mean for our daily lives?. But you oddly introduced your argument by stating you didn't want to explore this definition...


I would love to see a model designed by curating the training data so that the model produces the best responses possible. Then again, the work required to create a training set that is both sufficiently sized and well vetted is astronomically large. Since Capitalism teaches that we most do the bare minimum needed to extract wealth, no AI company will ever approach this problem ethically. The amount of work required to do the right thing far outweighs the economic value produced.


The Corporate religion demands unwavering profit orientation. "Ethics" is just barely maintained right above the limits of market research. All for the betterment of man, amirite?


I went looking for more info on Libervia and noticed your site is down.


Yes, I'm having a DDoS attack these days, no idea why somebody would do that to my small server. I've deployed counter measures so the site is more or less usable, but the attack is still going on.


Reconstructing from what?


> encouraged by the tempo of the music progressively increasing to the end of HVB

How does this part work? No real music does this so did they make their own for the study? Or do they select songs that change tempo subtley from one to the next?


They could have made their own, but it's really not that uncommon for music to slowly increase in tempo. Some styles of music use it more than others - for instance, ceremonial drumming might start out extremely slow and build to a frantic climax. But it's also fairly normal for musicians who are playing live, rather than to a click, to speed up when the music gets more intense.


I'm all for ceremonial drumming but there's gotta be a specific pace that fits their definition of "progressively" and i feel like that detail is lacking. Maybe there's more in the paper proper but the appendix is quite vague.


No real music gradually increases tempo? Isn't that like sailors hornpipe, kalinka, and various other russian folk songs?


Should i have clarified "no music you can find online or otherwise make use of in any way"? I appreciate the honest effort to come up with things! I'll see if i can find that anywhere and of appropriate length.


"native" here means using the same toolkit as the desktop environment.


Where is it mentioned that the arena experiment has been dropped?


The arena experiment was essentially placed on indefinite hold:

> The proposal to add arenas to the standard library is on indefinite hold due to concerns about API pollution.

I think the parent comment was using arenas as an example that GOEXPERIMENTs don't always move forward (like arenas), or can change while still GOEXPERIMENTs in a way that would normally not be allowed due to backward compatibility (like synctest).

The arena GOEXPERIMENT has not yet been dropped as of Go 1.25, but as I understand it, the plan is to remove arenas from the runtime when 'regions' are introduced, which have similar performance benefits but a much lower API impact:

https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/70257

As discussed there, seeing how people actually used the arena GOEXPERIMENT influenced the 'regions' design.


I'm sorry, but this is essentially racism prettied up. The research is about language bitrate not about regional speaking rate variations within a language.

Tangentially, I'm relatively confident that what you're experience has provided you is simply confirmation bias. Unless French is not their first language.


I agree that the research is about various languages bitrates. My point is a bit different, yes, it is about total information bitrate.

Maybe I am racist, but I am not sure how the speed at which one speaks is a racist trope. I sure do not look down on the Swiss, they're a pretty successful nation.

Question for you: what is your relative confidence based on?

On the positive, your comment invited me to check Wikipedia and I was surprised to see there are actually studies about some of this. They seem to confirm the stereotype. Belgian and Parisian seem to have a higher syllable/ms rate than several Swiss counties, with some caveats. [1]

But no, it does not talk about total information bitrate, that is much more subjective. Maybe if you are a "frontalier" and have some anecdotal experience with it, I'm curious.

[1] https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ais_de_Suisse

"Après examen des différentes études, le stéréotype des Suisses qui articulent plus lentement que les Parisiens est confirmé, à quelques exceptions près"


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