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I really and unironically applaud you, when the code you're writing has higher quality than the average AI produces AND it means something.

In the domains I get paid to work in, it simply doesn't matter.

The code was shit to begin with, because of hundreds of hacks due to underspecified or simply wrong requirements, bad code practices, architecture that couldn't keep up but was never fixed due to stubbornness...

Not saying we humans would do better or worse in general, just sharing my experiences.

I have customers where AI usage is absolutely forbidden and others where it's totally fine and colleagues vibecoded mess will come to bite them/us all.


I enjoy programming and producing high quality work. Why would I want to give up the thing I find fun and produce something subpar?

> The code was shit to begin with, because of hundreds of hacks due to underspecified or simply wrong requirements, bad code practices, architecture that couldn't keep up but was never fixed due to stubbornness...

My coworkers have always produced slop, even before LLMs. Unfortunately, as the lead on the project it’s still my responsibility to get that up to a certain quality level or at least make it isolated and malleable enough that it can be changed and we all won’t have a bad time doing it.

I guess what I’m saying is.. I get it. It’s hard to work with other people who are just pushing whatever is given by the LLM. But I still have fun doing it myself.


> I enjoy programming and producing high quality work. Why would I want to give up the thing I find fun and produce something subpar?

No one who cares wants to. That's not the question.

The question is whether you can continue to get paid doing so.


I seem to be continuing to get paid. What’s your next excuse about why you’re sacrificing quality?

I also still enjoy it. In my spare time.

I've always enjoyed it. In my spare time.

Also I wouldn't go as far to say that I myself produce higher quality code than my peers.

I am between a 5/10 and a 7/10 programmer at best.

I bring other valuable skills though.


In the US it's

People with money >> Politicians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Average citizens.

But hey, you got Hollywood propaganda and unwavering patriotism to make up for it.


Like in The Third Reich

With the decline in quality I am no longer confident my HDDs are actually a save backup strategy.

I have so many photos of vacations and people who I've buried over the years, that I don't want to lose.

So I was thinking about using Blu-ray M-Disks as well, these last couple of months.


Did you get paid the amount of three months?

It not: who becomes rich on all that productivity?


Not him, but I'll answer: me! I'm building software for my (non-software) business.

> Nobody in his right mind will use

Nobody AMERICAN in his right mind will use... Wait, actually a lot of them will.

But for me, as a non american, non chinese person: I'll use whatever the fuck is the best and cheapest for my task, because that's how fucking Capitalism works.

If that means that a (proclaimed) "communist" country cleans the carpet with the self-proclaimed land of the free: so be it!


I'm American and use Chinese models. Anthropic and OpenAI can suck a fart out of my butt, open models and open harnesses are the only sane option.

> Humanity has the serious problem of being underdeveloped in the "spiritual" department.

As is shown to us by filthy rich people every day.

Or did you mean the burglar in the fawellas?


It was popular among developers!

An average customer of mine hasn't got the slightest interest in dealing with this stuff.

Sure, they show me llm generated prototypes these days of how they envision a certain feature, ui and ux wise.

But that's great, because even with AI I save time iterating with them.

But for the actual programming and maintenance they still come to me.

Why? Because THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN IT!


That's my experience as well. Some folks like to dabble, but for the most part they have other stuff they want to focus on, they don't want to spend the time to ensure it's good and it works.

I'm not saying an agent couldn't make sure it's good and it works, but there are a lot of aspects to that: It's compliant, it's secure, the right data is stored, the right compromises are made for sometimes mutually exclusive business priorities, UX is decent, it's responsive, it scales, hosting is economical, it has the right tests, monitoring for the right risks, and so on and so forth. A lot of devil in the details, and the context required to know what to focus on is rather vast.

If anything, I see this work getting harder, since the discipline around minimal scope is getting weaker, leading to a complexity explosion affecting all of these aspects.

It usually comes down to how successful a business is. Just starting out with little to no funding? They'll want to dabble themselves. But if there's money, it can and will be exchanged for time. Easier prototypes and MVPs means faster business model validation, which means higher willingness to invest. I do see this happening.

Will we always need to know programming languages for doing this? Maybe not, but it doesn't matter. If you make a machine do stuff for a living, you're a programmer. How exactly you do it doesn't affect that in my mind.


> A lot of devil in the details, and the context required to know what to focus on is rather vast.

That and you need to be able to even ask the right questions.

These are people that have NO IDEA about how computers or their software works.

Sure they can let it be explained by an LLM but unless they thoroughly study these things, they simply can't know which questions to ask.


Actually for me it's different.

I've been using Tmux and later Zellij for many years, while I was on Ubuntu's Unity, then Gnome, KDE, i3 and lastly sway.

Until I switched to niri (https://github.com/niri-wm/niri) ... since then I haven't used tmux at all.

Very weird, come to think of.


No.

If I can't work as a computer scientist anymore (I am my own business since many years), I'll simply do something else.

I have many interests and "talents".

Maybe I can work as a gardener, or I help the farmers around, or I do some social work, or I work as a garbage man, or I ...

I am not worried in the slightest on a personal level.

Society might crumble though.

But then again, was it ever more than barbarism in disguise?


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