I don't think there will be a post oil industry, at least not as long as we have roads and cars.
We don't really need as much oil for walking paths, trains, or bike trails, and potholes are a different problem with different solutions for those.
As long as we have cars as we know them, we'll have oil. Road construction require s oil, all of the plastics in cars require oil, trucks require oil, shipping vessels require oil, it's oil all the way down.
It would require a seismic shift in life as we know it to live in a post oil world. Our stockpiles are pretty low (maybe a month in the US).
Does anyone expect there will be a post oil industry? I would assume (with not particular knowledge on the subject mind) that once we wind down oil use for fuel and to some extent plastics, there will be enough oil in the ground to support enough extraction for asphalt and other currently trivial uses indefinitely.
Afaik, (extremely simplifying) refineries split crude oil into fractions; we burn lighter hydrocarbons as fuel, make plastics out of the middle/heavy parts and what's left in the pot are some heavy, dirty remains that we figured make good roads instead of being thrown out.
We've already hit the point that electric cars are cheaper to operate, yet photovoltaic prices keep falling. Even equipment like electric excavators is now a thing. Batteries keep improving. It'll compound to smaller and smaller fuel, thus oil needs, so there will be less refining, thus less asphalt.
The assumption wasn't that that there will be no oil extraction, it was that there might be a future without tons of almost free road material. But I have zero expertise in oil macroeconomics, the question might've been stupid, I don't know that, haha
An asphalt roofing shingle company just closed in Minneapolis due to the city's new CO2 tax. The local environmental group held a little press conference crowing about it.
Mind you, this won't change the demand for asphalt shingles, they'll just be shipped from further, generating more C02 on the whole.
The only other current alternatives are all non-renewable as well- mined clay, slate, or metal. For residential roofs, I'm hoping metal continues to come down in price, as they tend to last longer and can be made to look quite good. For commercial / flat roofed buildings, there still needs to be some very thick rubberized underlayment below gravel or whatever to prevent standing water from getting in. The same is true for sod roofs in hobbit style earth homes.
So, yeah, there's still people in power who expect that all petroleum based products are equally evil and must be punished.
> An asphalt roofing shingle company just closed in Minneapolis due to the city's new CO2 tax. The local environmental group held a little press conference crowing about it.
For what it’s worth, Owens Corning operates an asphalt shingle plant in North Minneapolis (1701 49th Ave N) and they have no intentions of closing it down.
That's nice, but my response was to demonstrate that there are in fact people who think there's post petroleum industry, or at least desire it, not that none are foolish enough to stick around.
The original tax passed by the council, and overriding the mayor's veto was 90 times the current one at $452 a ton versus the current $5. The only reason for the drop was that the original couldn't possibly survive a challenge in court.
The environmental group celebrating the GAF closure is also real, and would likely celebrate Owens closing too.
Traditional oil extraction (drilling a well, not things like the oilsands or fracking) is actually relatively eco-friendly compared to other building products like concrete or steel; the problem is that burning it isn't great for the environment, and the heavy demand due to burning most of it means that lots of it is extracted using the less eco-friendly methods. So I think that the current plan is to continue extracting it more-or-less forever, just in much lower volumes than right now.
The confusing part is that it sometimes remembers things when you open a folder directly, like from an alias you open on your desktop, or typing `open ~/Documents`... But when Finder gets confused seems to be that when you shift between folders using the "browser-like" tools (back, forward, double-clicking a folder from the current folder), there's a disconnect: Should it act like a browser and use the current view, details columns, etc? or should it totally transform the view into what you had open at some point in the past?
I tend to try to hammer the Finder into always using "list view" with command-J, Always open in list view → Use as Defaults, but random folders can have their own settings attached, probably, so nothing works.
I cant quite figure it out exactly either. Seemingly random, then sometimes there's partial order. I honestly have to close my eyes and take deep breaths in thru the nose out the mouth while sitting at my desk while trying to get stuff done LOL. Im just so sick of decades of these stupid bugs.
Yeah not sure really. I thought these time of use tariffs were intended for charging EVs and using heat pumps, not charging batteries and selling the energy straight back to them later on in the day. But when you put it like that (decentralised grid storage) I guess it makes sense.
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