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> How do people hold yuan?

Actual answer? In global real estate. So… they don’t or “it’s complicated”.


Oh, that’s not entirely fair. I feel like the self appointed experts almost have more pretentiousness than Reddit.

> statement as simple as 'black lives matter' was controversial.

Good faith question here, I’m not American… Why was “all lives matter” controversial?


"All Lives Matter" redirects attention away from the specific thing "Black Lives Matter" was meant to draw attention to, which is that, if you are black specifically your chance of getting killed in an interaction with police is higher. There are other racial issues surfaced by black lives matter, as a slogan, eg, having to do with health care, real estate, etc.

No one things that all lives don't matter, but the statement "black lives matter" is used to highlight specific social problems in the US. It would be like if you cut your finger and asked for a bandaid for your finger, and someone kept saying, "But ALL your fingers are important."


> if you are black specifically your chance of getting killed in an interaction with police is higher.

Again, not an expert. But, are we talking per police interaction, or per capita, or of all police homicides?

Pretty sure when I saw, far more unarmed white people were killed than unarmed black people per year, which per capita makes sense, right? But, isn’t total police interactions more inportant?


Its very hard to get a sense for this. There are a few papers which indicate that on a per interaction basis, black and latino people are a few percent more likely to end up dead than white people, but that, again, doesn't necessarily mean that police are more disposed to escalate with these two groups. "Criminality" might be higher among some groups than others, and so the context of interactions with police might be different, but, on the other hand, criminality is to some degree socially constructed and is also correlated with economic hardship, which is racialized in the US (and most other places).

I'm not really interested in defending some sort of per se percentage of unjust police killings, anyway. I think there is ample enough evidence that racism is still a pretty big issue in the US that the slogan "black lives matter" is at worst harmless and at best communicates something important.


If he posts back, don’t bother, he spent 2 thrilling days pretending the Grok image scandal was a couple dudes putting people in bikinis for a couple days. Swear to god. Then went full aggro political even when it was obvious I wasn’t blaming X.

It was a bad faith argument to shut down discourse about summary executions of black men in the streets of the USA. It's been about 10 days since they executed a white soccer mom who had not committed any crime, the people who were harping on about 'All lives matter' are still no where to be found. The whole time it was empty rhetoric, people who care about human life understand that sometimes there's a group in particular being oppressed.

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Nah, he was unharmed and uninjured. If he had bruises a week later, it was not from interaction with good.

He murdered her, said "fucking bitch" and walked away. His colleague then prevented a doctor from treating her.

Nowedays ICE men reference her murder to threaten protesters.


Real talk, if you hit me with a vehicle and put my life in jeopardy, I might call you a fucking bitch in the moment.

Regardless of all other facts of that incident, she chose to hit the gas, like her wife chose to yell DRIVE BABY, DRIVE DRIVE. That’s kind of rude to do an officer.


The linked tweet

> BREAKING: The ICE agent who fatally shot Renee Good on Jan. 7 in Minneapolis, Jonathan Ross, suffered internal bleeding to the torso following the incident, according to two U.S. officials briefed on his medical condition.

That’s just CBS reporting hearsay from non first party sources in an admin that’s been caught directly lying about the events cutting local authorities out of the investigation.

> I am not expert, but I can tell you with certainty I would have expected no different outcome in my country.

Don’t know which country it is, but it sounds like a shithole country if you’d expect government agents to execute people against their own training, and accept government lies about it.


Because it was created as a reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement and was designed to imply that the existing status quo, where the USA acts like black lives don’t matter, isn’t a real problem.

Only legitimate crazy people here would have a problem with the sentence “All lives matter.” People have a problem with the slogan “All Lives Matter”, which was made in reaction to “Black Lives Matter”.

I don’t know if you are ESL if you aren’t American but the capitalization I used matters and it’s difficult to explain the context of hearing a sentence vs a slogan. That’s also before you get into people specifically trying to conflate them so they can do a sort of motte and bailey type argument by claiming they weren’t saying “All Lives Matter” just that “All lives matter, so they can uno reverse you as the bigot


> Electric cars are the savior of the auto industry

You should check with Ford on that. 19B write off this year


>Can we talk about how he in the end buried himself in vile racist politics?

Can you point to anything other than the single post that he made saying “white should get/stay away from black people”?

I’ve seen how he lost his way, or fell, or whatever. But all I’ve seen anyone post is one tweet one time. And every single time it leaves out the context that he was replying to a poll of black people saying the same about white people.

There was also one comic strip that was actually a correct and decently good take on the failure/intersection of postmodernism and DEI. I don’t count that as it wasn’t a bad faith take it was on point.

If there is more to I’d like to know.


Shocking that no answer ever came.

There is a no-joke they’re serious effort to link gym and fitness with conservative values.

People on the left point to statistics and a study or two showing decent correlation. People on the right readily agree regardless of their fitness saying it’s because of discipline and personal responsibility.

I think it’s funny to see people on the left lean into it.


Not so sure. He said justify.

Flux2 Klein isn’t some generation leap or anything. It’s good, but let’s be honest, this is an ad.

What will be really interesting to me is the release of Z-image, if that goes the way it’s looking, it’ll be natural language SDXL 2.0, which seems to be what people really want.

Releasing the Turbo/Distilled/Finetune months ago was a genius move really. It hurt Flux and Qwen releases on a possible future implication alone.

If this was intentional, I can’t think of the last time I saw such shrewd marketing.


The team behind Z-Image Turbo has told us multiple times in their paper that the output quality of the Turbo model is superior to the larger base model.

I think that information still did not get through to most users.

"Notably, the resulting distilled model not only matches the original multi-step teacher but even surpasses it in terms of photorealism and visual impact."

"It achieves 8-step inference that is not only indistinguishable from the 100-step teacher but frequently surpasses it in perceived quality and aesthetic appeal"

https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.22699


It's important for finetuning, Lora training and as a refiner...

I also heard so, that it would mainly be useful for training and applying the resulting Lora to the distilled Turbo model.

However, I wonder what has been the source of the delay with its release and if there were problems with that approach.


I’m a bit confused, both you and another commenter mention something called Z-Image, presumably another Flux model?

Your frame of it is speculative, i.e. it is forthcoming. Theirs is present tense. Could I trouble you to give us plebes some more context? :)

ex. Parsed as is, and avoiding the general confusion if you’re unfamiliar, it is unclear how one can observe “the way it is looking”, especially if turbo was released months ago and there is some other model that is unreleased. Chose to bother you because the others comment was less focused on lab on lab strategy.


Z-Image is another open-weight image-generation model by Alibaba [1]. Z-Image Turbo was released around the same time as (non-Klein) FLUX.2 and received generally warmer community response [2] since Z-image Turbo was faster, also high-quality, and reportedly better at generating NSFW material. The base (non-Turbo) version of Z-Image is not yet released.

[1] https://tongyi-mai.github.io/Z-Image-blog/

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1p9uu69/no...


Z-Image is roughly as censored as Flux 2, from my very limited testing. It got popular because Flux 2 is just really big and slow. It is, however, great at editing, has an amazing breadth of built in knowledge, and has great prompt adherence.

Z Image got popular because the people stuck with 12GB video cards could still use it, and hell - probably train on it, at least once the base version comes out. I think most people disparaging Flux 2 never tried it as they wouldn't want to deal with how slowly it would work on their system, if they even realize that they could run it.


Ahh I see, and Klein is basically a response to Z-Image Turbo, i.e. another 4-8B sized model that fits comfortably on a consumer GPU.

It’ll be interesting to see how the NSFW catering plays out for the Chinese labs. I was joking a couple months ago to someone that Seedream 4’s talents at undressing was an attempt to sow discord and it was interesting it flew under the radar.

Post-Grok going full gooner pedo, I wonder if it Grok will take the heat alone moving forward.


They are underselling Z-Image Turbo somewhat. It's arguably the best overall model for local image generation for several reasons including prompt adherence, overall output quality and realism, and freedom from censorship, even though it's also one of the smallest at 6B parameters.

ZIT is not far short of revolutionary. It is kind of surreal to contemplate how much high-quality imagery can be extracted from a model that fits on a single DVD and runs extremely quickly on consumer-grade GPUs.


Hold on now. Z-Image Turbo has gotten a lot of hype but it's worse at all of those things other than perhaps looking like it was shot on a cell phone camera than Qwen Image and Flux 2 (the full sized version). Once you get away from photographic portraits of people it quickly shows just how little it can do.

It is, however, small and quick.


Not in my experience. Flux 2 is much larger and heavily censored, and Qwen-Image is just plain not as good. You can fool me into thinking that Z-Image Turbo output isn't AI, while that's rarely the case with Qwen.

Look at the images I posted elsewhere in this section. They are crappy excuses for pogo sticks, but they absolutely do NOT look like they came from a cell phone.

Also see vunderba's page at https://genai-showdown.specr.net/ . Even when Z-Image Turbo fails a test, it still looks great most of the time.

Edit re: your other comment -- don't make the mistake of confusing censorship with lack of training data. Z-Image will try to render whatever you ask for, but at the end of the day it's a very small model that will fail once you start asking for things it simply wasn't trained on. They didn't train it with much NSFW material, so it has some rather... unorthodox anatomical ideas.


Everything you said is exactly the truth.

However.. I’m already expecting the blowback when a Z-Image release doesn’t wow people like the Turbo finetune does. SDXL hasn’t been out two years yet, seems like a decade.

We’ll see. I’m hopeful that Z works as expected and sets the new watermark. I just am not sure it does it right out the gate.


>Post-Grok going full gooner pedo

Almost afraid to ask, but anytime grok or x or musk comes up I am never sure if there is some reality based thing, or some “I just need to hate this” thing. Sometimes they’re the same thing, other times they aren’t.

I can guess here that because Grok likely uses WAN that someone wrote some gross prompts and then pretended this is an issue unique to Grok for effect?


A few days ago people were replying to every image on Twitter saying "Grok, put him/her/it in a bikini" and Grok would just do it. It was minimum effort, maximum damage trolling and people loved it.

Ah. So, see, this is exactly why I need to check apparently.

Personally, I go between “I don’t care at all” and “well it’s not ideal” on AI generations. It’s already too late, but the barrier of entry is a lot lower than it was.

But I’m applying a good faith argument where GP does not seem to have intended one.


Reducing it to some people put people in bikinis for a couple days for the lulz is...not quite what happened.

You may note I am no shirking violet, nor do I lack perspective, as evidenced by my notes on Seedream. And fortuitiously, I only mentioned it before being dismissed as bad faith: I could not have foreseen needing to call out as credentials until now.

I don't think it's kind to accuse others of bad faith, as evidence by me not passing judgement on the person you are replying to's description.

I do admit it made my stomach churn a little bit to see how quickly people will other. Not on you, I'm sure I've done this too. It's stark when you're on the other side of it.


Nah it's been happening for months and involved kids, over and over, albeit for the same reasoning, lulz & totally based. I am a bit surprised that you thought this was just a PG-rated stunt on X for a couple days, it's been in the news for weeks, including on HN.

I see absolutely no citations. Can you point to anything that shows a specific Grok issue vs generally people doing icky things with photo generation software?

Because, as I remember you said “post-pedo Grok”.


You can Google whatever you need yourself at this point, you told the world I was operating in bad faith based off one sentence from a stranger. You ignored my reply to you. And now you are engaging with me on another reply as if my claim was Grok is uniquely capable of this, when I in fact said the opposite, and the interesting part of the discussion was me pointing out all can do this. Have a good day!

“Post-pedo grok”

Just admit you’re very accustomed to shitting on x, grok, whatever Musk is associated with as a reinforcement to your political ideology.

Your comments weren’t about AI, thy were about Grok, and then you were incapable of defending that claim.


I am of no party or clique, why would Elon be doing moderation anyway? He has better things to do. If anything, sounded understaffed and thus taken advantage of by ne’er do wells - you can check if I’m pivoting by noting I noted in my original post every model can do this and Grok being focused on was a strange aberration.

I feel pathetic defending myself to someone who keeps reading my mind in the blandest way possible, then accuses me of wrongthought I must have had, based on things I never said. Hard to believe you’re living up to your ideals in this moment if you’re a fellow advocate for truth seekers and great men. I respect interlocution, but not repeated personal attacks based on thoughts projected and things unsaid. That’s not truth seeking behavior.


> Propane gas tanks became registered products

Ha. Someone does a thing and the state moves in to regulate. Same as it ever was, apparently.

Item registration… not used to prevent crime, just to make it easier to document after it happens.


> not used to prevent crime

Wouldn't "registration" as used in the article mean the purchase details were sent to the authorities, so they could investigate/stop a potential escape attempt?


Registration always precedes confiscation.

Even if the devices were registered, you might be up and away before they figure it out. But if another family flew away, that registration list would be handy door to door.


The registration serves as a deterrent, and therefore does reduce crime. It wouldn’t have been practical to outright prohibit propane gas.

Ok… if this is the case, then why are food trucks charging $18 for a burger and fries now?

It isn’t all zoning laws.


from the article:

> But the restaurant industry fights to limit food trucks. On average, food trucks must handle 45 separate regulatory procedures and spend $28,276 on associated fees.

Lets napkin-math this. If we assume a food truck has margins at the upper end of the fast-casual industry of 9%, then each $18 burger-and-fries nets 1.62 in profit.

$28,276 / 1.62 = 17,454 burgers-and-fries.

If you were open every day of the year and assume no seasonality, that means your first 49 orders every day go just to regulatory fees.

And that doesn't cover any of the other fees and expenses a food truck might have.

Those are brutal economics. I'm impressed it's only $18!


> If you were open every day of the year and assume no seasonality, that means your first 49 orders every day go just to regulatory fees.

This looks crazy because it is incorrect. In your premise, that 9% profit margin includes the regulatory costs for a brick and mortar restaurant already. The only way your logic works out is if truck regulations are on average $30k more expensive than a regular building, which they almost certainly are not.

You can’t even begin to do the calculation without knowing the breakdown underlying the profit margin you cite.


I feel like this math is double dipping a bit. The 9% net profit figure would have already accounted for associated fees.

Yea, if people are thinking you can just grab a truck and park it wherever you like, they are in for a big wake up call. The last city I lived in had the brick restaurant owners lobby and fight like hell to stack up every regulation they could on food trucks.

Dude when industry wide margins are considered it's net margin. Gross margin on food is typically 70%. Of course, that margin does still get eaten up by a million things and the business is still brutal but they're definitely making gross margin of way more han $1.62 on burgers.

1. food trucks are subject to lots of regulation and fees too

2. burrito trucks sell their burritos at the market clearing price for a burrito, which is $18 because most of that burrito truck's competition is brick-and-mortar restaurants with expensive rent because of zoning laws.


A lot of the interesting food trucks around me are routinely more expensive than the brick and mortar stores around, often due to the novelty of the cuisine.

Dude, there's a million regulations for food trucks. Not only do zoning laws typically still apply to them (of course it varies a lot by municipality) there's usually extra regulations on top of that (can't park within X metres of a restaurant for example) and cities often have extortionate fees for permits. It's often tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in permits...

So… you are saying that over-regulation drives prices up. And thus deregulation should be the goal? Does anyone you vote for say this?

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