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I'm not even American, but wtf is Europe doing. They were once a moral bar now they're dropping the ball everywhere.

? How is this Europe's fault?

Impressive how someone who worked at google takes a stance on morals and uses that to reverse causality and victim blame.

Europe is setting up a tripwire force because they know from the past that lunatic ramblings of a leader should be taken serious.


In 2006, the big 5 Western European states (UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain) had a similar share of global GDP PPP to the US, double China's, and 4x India's. In 2026, their share is now half of the US and China's and is comparable to India's.

The "rules based" model that the EU promulgated only worked in the 1990s-2000s when we lived in a unipolar world where the US and the EU represented the bulk of global production and those 5 countries had the economic power to successfully negotiate or pushback against the US.

The rise of Asian economies, EU expansion leading to the inclusion of hybrid regimes like Hungary and Poland under PiS who monkeywrenched procedural work within the EU, and the EU+UK's lost decade due to the Eurozone Crisis and Brexit degraded their comparative power.

Additionally, countries like the US, China, Russia, India, Japan, South Korea, etc also began strategically leveraging FDI in order to negotiate with subsets of EU states unilaterally, which reduced the EU's aggregate negotiating power.

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> Why does being rules-based have anything to do with it?

Access to markets and capital along with defending IP are predicated on mutually agreeing to those terms. When the EU (then including the UK) was at it's peak in the 2000s, it was able to drive favorable IP protection and market access agreeements to help underwrite innovation. The European "rules-based" system also eschewed large scale subsidized industrial policy, viewing these as potentially accelerating trade wars.

This is less true now in the 2020s, with countries like the US, China, Japan, India, and others adopting large scale industrial policy and subsidy programs (IRA/CHIPS, Make in China, GX 2040, PLI) and co-opting pillars of European industry like Volkswagen, BMW, Stellantis, Renault, ZF, Bayer, Sanofi, GSK, Dassault, Airbus, Leonardo, Safran, Rolls Royce, Siemens, EDF, TotalEnergie, etc to join these programs on their terms and having them lobby for their interests in Brussels.

> I think the main "culprit" is energy

Industrial energy prices in Europe only began spiking in 2022 following Russia's escalation of it's invasion in Ukraine (it started back in 2014). The trends I mentioned began all the way back in 2007-12 when energy prices were at all time lows.


Why does being rules-based have anything to do with it? Innovation industries, especially software, have been the massive driver of GDP growth globally since the 1990s. The US and China have been excellent at nurturing those industries domestically (China with its heavy hand of government, the US with the rawest capitalistic structures to support innovation investments) while Europeean countries haven't.

I think the main "culprit" is energy. Europe has had expensive energy prices for decades. Even poor countries in Europe pay 2-3x more for gasoline than Americans do (because of taxes - The EU requires a minimum of $1.47 of excise taxes per gallon of gasoline). I think these energy prices compound to a lot of manufacturing and business not manifesting in Europe.

All the other stuff matters too, but it's crazy to think that paying 2-3x more for fuel wouldn't show up as a negative influence on the economy somewhere. This is particularly the case because Europe didn't go heavily into nuclear and it is one of the worse places for solar power.


Does your partial amnesia also affect the part where US tech companies such as Facebook actively embedded engineers within political campaigns who then ran fake news campaigns for extreme candidates, resulting in the two-time refusal of US voters to vote for a woman?

There was also significant Facebook involvement in fake news concerning Brexit, Rohingya genocide, anti-EU and anti-Ukraine sentiment.

Now that we have established that US tech workers have significantly harmed free people and societies in various countries, I have to point out that also your reasoning is all wrong.

Brexit, Hungary, and Trump are not an example that the EU "rules based" model is not working, quite the opposite. When the EU flourishes as a free society due to free trade between people with extremely different cultural backgrounds, the people living under autocrats notice that this is could also be an option for their own future.

Due to this fact, the EU has been under massive attack by autocrats for quite some time, and workers at US tech companies have played a vital role in amplifying these attacks.


Impressive how you jump to blaming the victim so confidently.

if you can't run it locally, it's shit

YES. SOMETHING.

I can't understand the love for Jellyfin. Kodi lets you pick multiple sources of data, but Jellyfin flips it on its head and requires you pick a single server, choose the sources there, then add Kodi or something else all over again. It's just more steps for no gain.

No vision.

Windows is utter ass.

They don't even use their own browser, languages, or OS half the time because they're so bad.

I don't use it but stuff like VS Code is a point of light but they run it like an internal project, and will drive it into the ground, just like GitHub.


I'm not even going to read the article and just respond to the headline. Linux is not good now. Windows and macOS are worse than they've ever been.


I got a cheque for some fuck up for $8. In this day and age, sending a cheque for a small amount like that is a dick move. You know heaps of people will not even bother. Many people have never seen a cheque these days.


My uncle received a cheque for $0.12 from the Australian Taxation Office in the 1980s. He framed it, and it’s still on his wall today.


I have a cheque from NAB for 1 cent because I somehow screwed up closing my Citibank account and had fractional interest that had to be paid to me.


because it's shit


By "it" do you mean landlock or fil-c? Also elaboration would be nice.


Ok, if you say so


In mainstream/SV coding, I would say the scales just barely tipped toward composition in the late 10s... There are plenty of programmers still completely oblivious, the inertia is huge. Plus the swing back is too strong, inheritance is very powerful, just not as generic as originally thought.


Open source is sick. Everyone wants it (both to maintain a successful project, and to use them) until you maintain a popular project for a reasonable time then your realise you're getting used for fuck all value.

We need a healthy way to support open source developers. This isn't working. Companies are taking advantage, and individuals are overwhelmed with choice and have delusional expectations.


It would be cool if The Linux Foundation had a fund to support open-source devs with stuff, like a stipend or hosting costs, kind of like what exists in the hospitality space. I know that this sort-of exists, but it feels distributed amongst a few big companies and is entirely at the whims of their quarterly performance.


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