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How could a non citizen who came illegally be on Medicaid?


They cannot receive from federally funded Medicaid but some states have programs or state-funded Medicaid programs that allow non-citizens to benefit. CA and NY do for some categories. See this example for WI: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/medicaid/noncitizens.htm


These programs really support illegal immigrants? They support legal immigrants, for sure, but the question was about illegal immigrants?


The states that run these programs have political leadership that doesn't want to make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, and wants to give state -funded benefits to illegal immigrants, and so deliberately doesn't check citizenship or legal residency status when you apply for benefits.


It’s likely citizen children on Medicaid with potentially undocumented parents that they are targeting, which is pretty sad to think about.


In these large trials I assume they are not trying to separate someone who just drinks black coffee from someone who drinks coffee with a lot of sugar (mochas ect…). So the negative affects of daily consumption of sugar and dairy could offset whatever positive affects might have been possible.


Oh well if Vanity Fair says it then it must be so


Where are all these white supremacist terrorists and what evidence is there that the FBI gives them a pass?



So the natural progression is for any “hateful” thing said by daddy to be society’s business?


No the natural progression is that if Daddy attacks a disabled person in the street and the kids affirm that daddy was always on about how disabled people should be culled from society that daddy gets a much longer sentence for the crime.


Hello, you seem reasonable so I'd like to take the risky step of engaging with you 4 levels deep in an HN politics thread.

So, let's keep the scope of this to disabled people. Let's also both assume we're decent, non-evil people who are steadfastly against the assault of innocent disabled people on the street.

Why is it worse to attack a disabled person because you hate disabled people, than any other reason? I'm assuming you think it's worse to attack a disabled person from a place of anti-disabled hatred, than it would be attack a disabled person for a host of other reasons (ie, they were viewed them as an easier target, or they just happened to be closest to someone having a violent outburst).

I take the view that assaulting innocent people in general is unacceptable, and don't attach a large amount of weight to the motivation. On what basis does hatred of the disabled deserve special consideration, in your view?


It shows motive and potential for more victims in future, while as if for example that particular disable person say picked their pocket and they overreacted in a violent way or for other reasons you listed would show a different motive entirely.

This also dips into premeditated, especially if there is a pattern of that attitude and motive.


So, the problem with committing a crime animated by hatred of a group rather than just the victim is that you might justify committing crimes against more victims. That is a bad thing. The issue here is not with aggravating circumstances -- the issue is with non-aggravating private speech.


Then surely the distinction there is a crime of passion vs a non crime of passion.

In which case, any non-personal motivation for the attack would be treated with equal severity.


I think that the motivation is of interest because we take motivation as a moral element of any crime - the killing of another person is judged more harshly when it is pre-meditated, less if just intentional, less still if accidental but reasonably foreseeable.

I think that in particular there is merit to the idea that someone that commits a crime motivated by an ideology is more dangerous, they are motivated by a belief about the world that is more durable than other circumstances in which a crime might be committed. Such a person needs to spend more time either away from society or restricted in ways that keeps society safer from them for longer.

Also we want to live in a society where visible minorities of any sort do not feel a particular fear of being targeted. Laws that make it clear that targeting is a particular moral failing send the message that society stands with those people, and that is a good thing. Doing more to protect vulnerable people in the first place is the ideal option, but increasing the punishment on the backend is at least something.

In the specific scenario you mentioned I would hope that someone attacking a disabled person because they were viewed as an easier target would also be grounds for a worse punishment. Violence motivated in such a way should be rightly viewed as far more dangerous and unacceptable than violence that is a product of a violent outburst - and I believe the law mostly works that way.

On the broader point I will say that I would love to live in the perfect world where every crime was some platonic ideal of an infraction that could be judged in some kind of void but the justice system as a whole does also need to operate in a manner consistent with the public's idea of what justice should roughly resemble. It is certainly the case that you can make the argument that hate crimes as a category are more "public relations" than real criminal law. I don't think any jurisdiction has, in the real practical application of the law, met the threshold to be considered cynical public relations. Democracies largely have human judges that do their best to be reasonable, "thoughtcrime" and modifiers to sentences for "thoughtcrime" haven't really been a thing. And once you are at the point where the judges themselves are really off the rails it won't much matter if you are quibbling about the sort of details that alarmists are getting worked up about here. I am aware of the concerns, I even share them, but the laws in question would need to be a lot more explicit to be of real concern.


I agree with you, and I think the inverse of your argument might be this--

that treating racially motivated crimes differently than just crimes... draws a line between groups of people that is unnecessary and differentiates people in exactly the way we don't want to.


No attack is necessary. Per https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364..., merely "stirring up hatred", even in the privacy of one's home, is enough.


It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That's a line at which we ban accounts, regardless of what ideology they're for or against, because this mode of using the site is destructive of what HN is supposed to be for.

If you would please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended, we'd appreciate it. That means curious conversation on a diverse range of interests—not doing battle with enemies. Curiosity is the first casualty when the threads go that way.

Past explanations:

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23959679


No, that makes no legal sense. Can you stop adding emotions? The day courts operate on blind emotion and hearsay is a sad day.


Why doesn't it make sense? I believe emotions do play a role in the courts. A criminal doesn't get punished for nothing, they get punished _so they don't commit the same crime again_.

Judges take emotions into account to determine how likely the criminal is to repeat the offence. Was this a one-off incident, or are you ready to start assaulting disabled people again the moment you get out of jail.


You mean intent? Planning? Having pictures of disabled people with darts on them? Or do you mean dismissive emotions like racism? Bigotry is passive, behavior is active. Courts judge your intent to repeatedly break the law, not your whims and biases.


The bill is not just about aggravating circumstances.


Indeed, it is not just about that, but that is the principle element of the law at issue. It is certainly also true that if you were to host a race-based violence promotion party in your home you might be subject to prosecution.

It is also clear under the law that if you hosted a "race X is inferior" party at your house you would not be in violation of the law.

But if you had the "race X is inferior" party and then assaulted a member of race X you'd face a longer sentence for that assault!


> that is the principle element of the law at issue

All elements of the law are equally enforceable, so singling out some as 'principal' is not a license to ignore others.

> It is also clear under the law that if you hosted a "race X is inferior" party at your house you would not be in violation of the law.

What are you basing this interpretation on? Couldn't that be construed as "stirring up hatred"? What about "race X is the primary perpetrator of such and such historical crimes, and is still guilty by way of their accumulated benefit"? Or "race X commits a disproportionate amount of violent crime"? Objectively, those could "stir up hatred" - as I'm sure many judges would agree.


Peter Thiel is a white nationalist? Interesting.



Oh well as long as buzzfeed claims there are links it’s ok to call someone a white nationalist


Accusations of racism are the first tool used to respond to anyone they disagree with, it seems.


At least 75 million people are now white nationalists according to lefties.

They're even coming up with new terms. Terms like "multiracial whiteness" to fit the new narrative. Who knows how many lists I'm on now.


I’m confused by the term “nationalist”. Does it imply violence? I’ve heard also “separatist”. Is that more benign?


I have to disagree with your assessment of notebooks. I use them mostly for exploratory data analysis. It’s great for being able to view multiple graphs at the same time, tweak some parameters and see what changes. Then of course being able to easily share your findings. I agree as a development environment it has a lot of drawbacks. Hard to debug and global variables galore. I don’t view them as an end to end solution but as one step in the workflow


Don't forget also documenting your findings. Without a notebook, results end up divorced from code stuffed into a folder with weird names. To properly document you have to write something in latex or word or markdown, but with a notebook you can keep code, graphs, and notes all together.


Why do you trust the FDA?


A good reason to trust the FDA is that they have contributed to the safest food in the world! Our strict food regulations in the USA make things like trichinosis very difficult to spread around.


What evidence is there that U.S. food is safer than Japanese food, or even say Canadian food?

I don't have strong evidence but I don't regard U.S. food to be particularly safe relative to most first world countries. It's not terrible by any means and you're right in that you won't get any immediate damage from anything you eat, but I suspect most other first world countries have food and safety and health standards that result in better health outcomes over a long period of time compared to U.S. food.

[EDIT] After doing some minimal research it appears my intuition is correct, at least with respect to foodborne illness, the U.S. is certainly good compared to poverty stricken nations, but compared to most of Europe, Canada, Australia it has much higher rates of foodborne illness:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodborne_illness#Comparison_b...

The deaths in the U.S. is the highest, but what's even more interesting are the hospitalizations. U.S. hospitalizations are among the lowest and one has to wonder why that is given that it has the highest death rate. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect that because of how expensive the U.S. health care system is, Americans who do get sick avoid going to the hospital altogether. That is admittedly simplified speculation on my part, but it's a starting point for further investigation.


At a 10x difference, it should clue you in that something is wrong. Choice quotes from a UK Gov page:

> A report published by the FSA has found it is not possible to compare foodborne disease rates effectively between countries.

> The report concludes that attempting to accurately compare different countries’ foodborne disease rates is an almost impossible task. The only way you could attempt this would be for different countries to have the same type of study with the exact same study specifications, over the same time period. Even then, differences in underlying surveillance data available in each country could cause issues, particularly in terms of determining what proportion of IID cases are due to food.

https://www.food.gov.uk/news-alerts/news/report-into-interna...


Trichinosis is also very well controlled in many third world countries that just have a bunch of good local regulation agencies. The FDA shines more on the regulation of mass produced packaged food on an unprecedented scale. The only other countries that can independently feed their populations with mass produced packaged nutritious food are some Asian countries that also have rich governments. Even in Europe they piggyback on work that the FDA does via international cooperation.


I like this tool a lot. I wouldn’t mind having a similar concept applied to YouTube. If you actively try and watch videos from a different viewpoint then your recommendations are all over the place.


That looks pretty slick...

I dont know how much having a nice UI helps with understanding / training but it sure makes it nicer to work with and helps in demonstrating concepts.


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