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I don't know about the others, but the reason I didn't comment was precisely because I didn't want to log in using Facebook. Your giant trees were blocking my view of the forest.

Giving the choice between a third-party and a classic profile is the best way to go. It complicates things a bit but no one has a reason not to try your service out.


That's short-term thinking. If students don't use your products, they won't when they turn into tomorrow's professionals. Lots of successful companies have been doing this for many years. $60+ per month is way too expensive. Thankfully for them, piracy is widespread enough to ensure that GIMP's ugly interface keeps students from switching to it.


Open Source? Who cares about open source? What we're talking about is free software. The bulk of the code they write is all-rights-reserved.


This is not comparable at all. Nuclear arsenals cannot be dismantled because of the benefits of MAD and the other guy might be considered in a position of force.

In our case, PRISM can be dismantled without the other guy (i.e the population) retaliating in any way or any enemy country gaining any advantage out of that.


It won't happen. Data today holds the same value as nukes during the cold war. A whole lot of intellectual and emotional evolution has to occur, across entire populations, before dismantling either becomes feasible.

I have a feeling this incident is going to start a big data arms race, mostly because, many governments in other country are going to start investing in their own NSA's.

The only thing that can control it, is the economics involved.


It won't happen. Data today holds the same value as nukes during the cold war

That is so true. Remember that last DPRK scare? "North Korea builds server farm" they screamed. Seems that any time the DPRK needs some attention, they just announce a test of their number-crunching machines.


Lacking much imagination. DPRK don't need a server farm just a pen drive from St. Petersburg.


And yet the news never says "DPRK buy pen drive" but only "DPRK closer to nuclear weapons with global reach".


Is it not considered evidence acquired illegally and unusable in court? Considering most people think that most of this information does not qualify as probable cause per the Fourth Amendment...


The exclusionary rule is there to protect the defendant, and the defendant can ignore/waive its application.

Even if it could be applied without regard to whether the defendant objected, it has been gutted in recent decades by our radical right-wing Supreme Court, who think illegally-obtained evidence is just dandy so long as excluding it from court proceedings wouldn't actually change the government's behavior in collecting it.


My understanding is that such evidence is only thrown out of court when challenged by opposing counsel. For example, a prosecutor puts forth some evidence, then the defence lawyer objects, and the judge rules on if it is admissible. If the defence doesn't object...


That requires admission of illegality


I don't know why but this put this all in a whole extra sharp perspective for me.


We could increase the productivity of humanity in fabulous ways if we all knew how to use computers efficiently. Instead, we go the other way and only use them as entertainment platforms. Too bad education doesn't make big money.


> We could increase the productivity of humanity in fabulous ways if we all knew how to use computers efficiently.

I'll argue that's not the problem. The problem is more of nurturing a social culture of continuous learning and creation. How many of us knew folks when we were in school who just couldn't wait "to be done with school forever"? How did that travesty, a vast failing of human education, come to pass? It's easy to be elitist and point to those of us who dodged the bullets as being "superior" or "smarter" or whatever, but I've also witnessed too many occasions where good environments, mentors, teachers, etc. lit the spark in learners who might otherwise have been judged unremarkable.

I've also seen (and apparently there are now studies on) the positive skill effect of having access to computers-as-making-devices as a kid can have. IIRC, this relates to a substantial part of the successes that Harvey Mudd College is having in bringing more women into computing programs[1]. In short, changing education to embrace students who didn't have "deep" access to computers prior to college is helping to close the gender gap.

Mobile or no, I'll ask: do children have sufficient access, role-models, and mentors regarding computers (mobile or no) as tools of creation? What does the changing profile of computer use in the mobile era imply for education towards computing-enabled professions?

[1] http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/05/01/178810...


Education does make big money (pearson), it's just generally people don't have a choice - they're not spending their 'disposable' income on it.


He's the president of the main right-wing party. People like that often remain head of their state for very long once they're elected (first they're sworn in and then get more mandates to "finish their job"). Examples from my home country: Francois Mitterrand, Jacques Chirac. It may have something to do with this but you can get a way easier explanation.


Agreed. And it goes like that with politics. No party even debates about economy, privacy and so on. That doesn't bring in votes. Security does. The entire concept of right/left wing in Israel is based on how nationalist a party is.


Right. Israel has "kept expanding". Ignore the strategic positions that allowed them to survive (the Golan), ignore the repeated aggressions from the Sinai which made Israel have to take it and give it back several times.

Besides, are you saying that wanting someone out of some place but justifies violence? If so, expect me to come at your house and get you out of there with a rifle and don't complain when I do so.


I'll answer for him.

Neither, I read about the apartheid from reliable sources and I know the situation but also read about statistics to make sure I'm not being unfair to either side.

But what about the people who say "Israel has apartheid"? Did you ask how they can claim that? Or do you just assume that they are/have met South Africans who lived under the Apartheid?


These are different kinds of statements that require different kinds of knowledge.

Israel clearly has two categories of citizens within its borders defined by tribal distinctions (race/religion). Whether this is formally 'apartheid' is an arguement worth having, since we can look at the UN definition and Israel's actions and have a meaningful discussion from an external perspective.

Comparing the subjectivities of the lives lived under the two regimes necessitates experiential knowledge that is most likely lacking in this audience. I don't find oppression olympics arguments to be fruitful. The moral calculus of today's actions does not depend on the price paid in South Africa, The Congo, The American South, or in Revolutionary China.


"within its borders" is correct or incorrect depending on whether you consider the West Bank inside Israeli borders.


I didn't say 'Israel has apartheid'. I said that some Israeli commenters have compared the situation to apartheid. I used the verb border to be specific. There is a whole wikipedia page on the argument [1] if you want to know more about it.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analog...


Sorry, I supposed that gadders quoted you accurately due to the quotes around "Israel has apartheid". I apologize.

I'll edit my reply to maintain the legitimacy of the question.


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