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You have completely misunderstood the CDC article I think you are referring to. It proved that recovered individuals benefit some also getting a single vaccine dose. It didn’t measure recovered vs vaccinated.

Recovered individuals have vastly superior immunity to variants than vaccinated. mRNA vaccines have been show to drop significantly in preventing infections after 6 months. Natural immunity doesn’t and also you have a profound misunderstanding, natural immune system targets many locations on the virus not just the spike protein. Reinfection rates are estimated to be well under 1%, meaning 99% effectiveness, Pfizer is now estimated to 40% effective against infection.


I’d not be surprised at an opposite effect because what will Tether holders “run to” in case of a bank run? With every crisis people will gain trust in Bitcoin not the reverse. Tether holders will bid up Bitcoin as it is something they can custody themselves.


I switched my tech company to full WFH. I also implemented detailed surveillance on all employees, which I don’t disclose. It shows me keyboard/mouse activity levels and window update rates. It’s very interesting information, I have much better insight how and when people work, which are very different from each other. I also have other productivity measures and now I can really understand when someone is not working vs stuck or having difficulties. I expect for slackers this coming world will be harder to hide in.


Seriously? I would never, ever consider doing that to my employees. It’s plainly obvious if someone is doing their work or not without tracking their mouse movements.

What’s the name of your company so I can tell everyone I know to avoid it like the plague? My company is gingrapp.com. We’re hiring and would never subject anyone to this.


Doesn't Microsoft Teams do this stuff automatically by default?


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Are you afraid your employees would leave you if they found out? Good. You should be. And I’ll be here to treat them with respect and scoop up your talent.


People like you ruin planet earth, really, try to put more trust in people. Oh and if you didn't yet, watch Black Mirror.


Exactly. Why employ people you don’t trust? It sounds very tiring. I certainly don’t have time for it running a successful, fast-growing company.

I’ve employed people before who eroded my trust in them. I either fired them or nudged them to find a new job, depending on the severity of the thing they did to make me not trust them.


> Why employ people you don’t trust?

Sometimes the unions/courts require a company to document incompetence for a certain number of months before being able to let a person go.

I don't agree with these requirements, but can see how they could incentivize surveillance apps.


You must be fairly young and idealistic. It’s really hard to know people well enough to be able to trust them. Especially in this new WFH environment are you going to know your employees after a few skype calls? I’ve been in tech for over 25 years now and a manager for last 15, the level of deceit one comes across is mind blowing. In one case we had an employee we all liked and thought well of, did decent work, extremely friendly, and we caught him trying to copy all the company’s code to a USB drive attached to his workstation under his desk. People are crazy you never know what they will do.


You must be a tropey children's story villain who doesn't understand he power of friendship

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThePowerOfFriend...

Your one employee betraying your trust does not justify treating the rest of your employees this way


You must be too cynical and jaded then because at 41 y/o with a family and a fair amount of life struggles under my belt I still can't see your point.

With programmers in particular it's painfully obvious if they work or not. You are expending tons of unnecessary (human) energy to maybe scoop 5-10% more productivity. It's not worth it.

There are also a lot of people who work better (and more!) when they feel free.

I mean, you do you of course, but consider that you're only surrounding yourself with one kind of people and are missing out on everybody else -- and no, they are not slackers.


This is actually illegal, and the information you have provided is enough to get a search warrant in the U.S. I have forwarded this thread to my local FBI field office. Have a nice day :)


If you are doing this on US soil, it is a felony to surveil employees without their express knowledge and consent. Hacker News has your IP address information so unless you are using a proxy or are outside of the US you'll be hearing from the FBI shortly.


Based. I hope that this isn't an empty threat and ends up actually being prosecuted.


I think you might be confusing audio and video surveillance with computer system logging. We can log anything we want it’s in their employee contract that they have no expectation of privacy on company computer systems and it should not be used for any personal business, which again WFH is great because clearly they have their own personal computer they use to access remote access and all our logging is on the server side. If I have timestamps of every key stroke and every mouse move and screenshots of their desktop every 1 minute there is nothing illegal about that. Even if it was remotely grey area it would be covered by their employee agreements, confidential agreements and proprietary information agreements. Your fake outrage is a joke.


Regardless of whatever wording you have included in your employment agreements, your statements on the matter indicate that you are surveilling your employees without their knowledge. Your public comment to that effect could actually be used in court to throw out whatever wording you have in your agreement, as your statement nullifies the assumption that your employees have read the agreement (you don't believe any of them have, and you believe the wording that is there is vague enough that they are unware of any actual surveillance -- this is damning as it is exactly what a prosecutor would have to prove in this case, and you have openly admitted it). Don't worry I already archived the original thread and included it in my report to the FBI.

When your employees bring a WFH device into their home, and your spyware collects metadata on their keystrokes, you are in violation of federal wiretapping law as you are collecting metadata from within their private home network and exfiltrating it through connections not initiated by the employee and without their consent or notification.

By law you must indicate to your employees that you collect metadata on their keystrokes (under privacy laws, this is still just private information in aggregate). Every time one of your employees enters private information or logs into their bank on their WFH device, and you log your metadata on these keypresses, you are committing another felony. Even the DoD has to provide a warning every time you log into a DoD system describing the surveillance being used on the device.

Depending on your employees' locations, this may also be a GDPR violation.

There are also numerous export control laws governing surveillance software that you may or may not be in violation of depending on your location. This is why obtaining this kind of software is difficult, especially in the EU.

People like you should be afraid, not your employees.


Please do explain. What is illegal? Recording minute granular measure of keyboard and mouse activity by employees on our internal company computer system. You’re in a fantasy world, the FBI is literally laughing at you right now.


So either you live in a place where human rights don't exist, or will be in an entirely new world of pain and humiliation once you are found out. And in the meantime, since can't own up to your snooping, you can't act on it at ALL without parallel construction, i.e. without being a liar and a cheat. What you gain by this is only valuable to those who can't lead and inspire. What you lose is invaluable yet unknown to you. Sad.


Care to explain how a private employer collecting telemetry data on their own computer system whom the employees are paid to work on would be violating human rights and why would I feel pain or humiliation? We log everything in many situations. We also have full keylogging and all command logging via auditd. There is a lot of idealistic and childish responses to my approach, including yours. I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do.


You treat people like toddlers, you can't even look them in the eye and tell them that, and then call me childish? Anything else, you anonymous coward? The fact that you can't tell that to the people you do it to says it all. No, I don't care to explain to you what was your responsibility to look into before you even put it into action.

> I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do.

You just spoke of monitoring people, not systems. You spoke of "slackers". Now you're already backpedaling. I hope you get caught, and sued into the fucking ground.


What in the world are you talking about? You honestly believe I can be sued for monitoring employee activity on a private businesses computer systems? The level of entitlement expressed by some HN commenters is unbelievable. Snooping would be somehow spying on their private computer or information not their usage of their work system. We have every right to record everything and anything. I’ve actually considered expanding it to include periodic screenshots, maybe once per minute.

There is nothing for us to be “caught” you have no legal or ethical grounds. My guess is I’ve touched a nerve with you because you have realized if your manager could see such data then your scam might be up.


There are parts of the world where that is illegal, yes.


Really where? Certainly not in the United States and I don’t see any reason it should be illegal. Your an employee not a citizen.


This is illegal without employee consent in the EU and in most other civilized countries around the world.


Can you provide a reference for that? I am logging the employee’s use of the corporate computer system that they don’t own and are being paid to work on. That is total nonsense it can be illegal, there is zero legal expectation of any privacy on a private companies computer systems. Why in the world should there be?


In the EU, what you are claiming you do is illegal under the GDPR, you would be required to give prior notice at the very least.

See the "notice" section starting at bottom 3 of this for the lay persons summary on the notice requirement (or read the whole thing to see what laws around this look like in Germany) https://www.bakermckenzie.com/-/media/files/people/lutz-holg...


That’s ridiculous, and only proves my point that management is obsessed with meaningless metrics and what employees do with their free time rather than whether they’re completing their assigned duties or not.


I feel very empowered by WFH as a manager. I get gamed much less by the developers I manage. For instance I assign a duty or task as you mention, and I can now clearly see if anytime was spent on it or not. So during my progress reviews if a developer says he is still working on it, been a bit more complex than he expected, yet I can clear see when he was active on the system, and due to proprietary nature of our software, you can’t really spend much time that is useful outside our system, so if I see only 1-2 hours actively working, my activity data is second granularity, and I have statistical reports and graphs written up in R, so I know with absolute precision, but they don’t know. I now know clearly who lies and who doesn’t. I don’t tell the ones who lie that I know. Instead I just focus on the technical issues on their task, sometimes I just do it for them, to humiliate them.


If you're getting "gamed" by your staff, the issue might not be with the developers' working habits...


That this manager chooses to “humiliate” certain employees is also indicative of the root cause of the issue.


They get pretty embarrassed when I complete their assignment in 2 hours after our meeting an assignment which should have taken them maybe one day but they have supposedly been working on for the last 8. It’s a very effective technique and so far has been applied to more junior employees with great success.


>Instead I just focus on the technical issues on their task, sometimes I just do it for them, to humiliate them.

Well, that is one hell of a viscous cycle, isn't it?


There is something you might be missing. I'm a developer. Quite a bit of my development time is not spent at a computer. It's spent working things out in my head while walking or jogging, or even just wandering around the house.


That only works until someone writes a "boss" app that pretends to click keys and move the mouse.

Back in the 80's, many computer games had a "boss" key which would pause the game and throw up a screen that looked like a spreadsheet.


I agree it will be spoofed if employees know what is being measured. It’s the main reason we don’t disclose it. I can already see the people who will spoof it because many of the employees make sure to connect each day, but then often just leave it and never type anything almost the whole day. I’ve also thought about adding additional telemetry data like, unique commands run, num files accessed, web access stats, etc. The last 15 months of data is pretty interesting data set with only basic activity measure and I’d imagine would be even more interesting with better context.


Has it ever occurred to you, to measure the actual work?


Of course I do that to and did that before the pandemic. I review all code commits and review reports and results from the system. I also track completed tasks and assign them complexity level. Am I stupid or something? How would I know who is completing tasks or not. This was how we operated before WFH, the change is implementing direct surveillance telemetry on employee activity on the system. Another improvement is that collaboration is all now over internal chat, which I can review these discussions and get a sense of level of collaboration. When I overlay all the information it gives me an extremely good idea of what is actually happening.


You're a troll. I don't believe you have a job, much less manage other people.


> Am I stupid or something?

To be blunt, yes, unless you're trolling. Nobody could like you, you'd be the laughingstock of the company. The literal bootlicker too inept to rise and just tries to make others miserable. I say try because I guarantee you nobody gives a shit, they all just cash in the paycheck and wonder why it takes the company so long to fire them.


^ this is a troll post


My outrage blinded me of that possibility, thank you for bringing me back to reality


Have you seen an increase in productivity?


Absolutely, I’m able to use the insights to work to increase productivity. Remember I don’t disclose I can see this. It has let me better manage cases, first the slacker that assumes because I’m old and a manager I’m stupid and they can BS me and not work, but also importantly find the hidden skilled developers, there have been a few that have completed complex tasks very quickly considering their activity on the system, so I can ramp up their load and complexity, wheres before they had hidden from me how good they really were.


Your posts are clearly designed to elicit as much outrage as possible.

Either that our you need treatment for paranoia. Not only are your incompetent employees screwing you over, but your competent employees are also out to get you by “hiding” their abilities from you. Come on.


It seems to basically be tinc but “modernized”


Do they lie, cheat, steal, or could you elaborate on problems with their moral/ethical compass?


Oh my...so much to learn...


can you explain the challenge. definitely useful pointer to ttyd. thank you


Yea, sure. It's a server provided for security researchers. The challenge is to run any program we haven't allowed from the root shell. It's been defeated and patched 3 times over the past 2 years. You can get the list of allowed programs by running `whitebeam --list whitelist | grep Executable`. The details (and bounties) are listed here: https://github.com/WhiteBeamSec/WhiteBeam/blob/master/SECURI...

Unlike the challenge system, we also run some honeypots that record attempts. That way it's easy for both whitehats and blackhats to contribute to the overall QA testing.


Looks like it got popular, played around a bit, then it crashed.


No worries. I brought it back, DNS propagation just finished. Someone may have killed init or the like, which the software allows root to do. After all, why stop hackers from removing their own access and alerting the NOC team? :)

To whomever murdered init in cold blood: the challenge server is for trying to bypass the security software. If there are too many attempts to simply bring it offline I'll have to keep it powered off for a bit.


Would being a result of gain of function research with a particular furin cleavage site be considered “bio engineered”?


I don't feel like playing "there isn't enough evidence to prove me wrong"


Source: https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-peop...

Relevant text: For the lab escape scenario, the double CGG codon is no surprise. The human-preferred codon is routinely used in labs. So anyone who wanted to insert a furin cleavage site into the virus’s genome would synthesize the PRRA-making sequence in the lab and would be likely to use CGG codons to do so. “When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus,” said David Baltimore, an eminent virologist and former president of CalTech. “These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2,” he said.


It’s because the evidence is overwhelming and political establishment has realized it will be impossible to suppress the information. Will we “cancel” an eminent virologist and former President of Caltech because he explains transparently to people the smoking gun with the FCS and CGG condons. This isn’t even “just” a lab leak of a naturally occurring dangerous virus, it’s a lab leak of a synthetic gain of function virus. Previously since it was Trump’s people saying it, ok that was easy to discredit and claim racist china hate at all that. What are they going to do though now? round up all the world’s scientists and try to silence them. The’ve throw in the towel, that’s what’s changed, the corruption and intimidation only worked so far, only so many scientists able to influence and try to manipulate the narrative with. Some of those have even turned on the CCP boot lickers, realizing the game is up. It’s too damn obvious. This is now damage control mode. Also they needed to wait for the worst of it to be over, that way less political fallout. Imagine they actually admitted this all officially last year, before the peak waves.


> the evidence is overwhelming

AFAIK all the evidences were still the roughly the same as what was known in Trump administration.

Are there significant new discoveries?


Yes many more. Including details of the death of the wife of a researcher in December 2019 from Covid. The other is deeper investigation of the FCS and how it might have arisen, very difficulty in nature, especially with zero trace of intermediate host so far.


> Including details of the death of the wife of a researcher in December 2019 from Covid

Could you please provide a link to the report?

> deeper investigation of the FCS and how it might have arisen, very difficulty in nature, especially with zero trace of intermediate host so far.

Ditto


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Unfortunately it’s not being reported on mainstream sources yet, but the wife of a researcher was an even earlier patient and she died, clearly from covid. According to information I’ve seen, she was perhaps patient 4-6.

Extensive paper on FCS will be published soon.

https://imgur.com/a/bBAuXv6

> Sørensen said the amino acids all have a positive charge, which cause the virus to tightly cling to the negatively charged parts of human cells like a magnet, and so become more infectious.

> But because, like magnets, the positively charged amino acids repel each other, it is rare to find even three in a row in naturally occurring organisms, while four in a row is 'extremely unlikely,' the scientist said.

> 'The laws of physics mean that you cannot have four positively charged amino acids in a row. The only way you can get this is if you artificially manufacture it,' Dalgleish told DailyMail.com.

> Their new paper says these features of SARS-Cov-2 are 'unique fingerprints' which are 'indicative of purposive manipulation', and that 'the likelihood of it being the result of natural processes is very small.'

'A natural virus pandemic would be expected to mutate gradually and become more infectious but less pathogenic which is what many expected with the COVID-19 pandemic but which does not appear to have happened,' the scientists wrote.


For [1], Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before COVID-19 outbreak disclosed:

The reports states: """ Three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) sought hospital care in November 2019, a month before China reported the first cases of COVID-19, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday, citing a U.S. intelligence report. """

> sought hospital care

No mentioning of the symptom.

> a month before China reported the first cases of COVID-19

I think without mentioning the symptom, we can find probably quite a few patients "seeking hospital care" in a 10km radius of Wuhan Institute of Virology, see how crowded the place was [2] (google map).

> citing a U.S. intelligence report

Where was the report?

Remember which report give the chain of evidences of Iraq's WMD claim? See [3]. Regarding the report "Congress eventually concluded that the Bush administration had "overstated" its dire warnings about the Iraqi threat."

I cannot take this Reuters' report seriously without seeing the report.

Let's be honest, the implied charge in the report is beyond the the impact of WWII probably (in total economic impact at least).

> The newspaper said the previously undisclosed report - which provides fresh details on the number of researchers affected, the timing of their illnesses, and their hospital visits - may add weight to calls for a broader investigation into whether the COVID-19 virus could have escaped from the laboratory.

It seems the Reuters' report admit that the original report from US intelligence group do not have symptoms information.

> https://imgur.com/a/bBAuXv6

For the proposed paper, I have no knowledge to verify its strength.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... [2] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Institute+of+Virolog... [3] https://www.vice.com/en/article/9kve3z/the-cia-just-declassi...


How is Ethereum designed to benefit wealthy people?


It’s getting harder and harder for him recently to come up with conventional explications. I think the biggest problem will be when data from multiple systems is declassified as it will really challenge various debunking theories.


To be fair, as I'm always telling my wife, just because you can't imagine the explanation doesn't imply the alternative that it's a supernatural explanation (or substitute aliens here) is true.

It most probably is just a failure of imagination.


Or, more likely, it will show more conclusively that, despite what a few spooks want to have everyone speculating, the phenomena are not impressive at all.

Of course, no amount of data will put this to rest. When other instruments will have failed to register the same event, people will not accept the obvious conclusion (the one instrument that "caught" it was malfunctioning/misinterpreted one way or another), they will start claiming that not only are the objects special, they are also invisible to radar/infrared/[...].


What do you make of the US senators reactions? I mean they have received classified briefings on this topic and the incidents and there are multiple incidents where the UAPs are registered on multiple sensors, radar, FLIR, and human witnesses with all collaborating and consistent details. I default to skepticism and metabunk is a great read on many topics but we are probably nearing a point of failure to debunk on many incidents. There is something and the question is what is it.


I make of them the same thing I make in retrospect of US senator reactions to receiving classified briefings about WMDs in Irak: they could be complete fabrications, meant to deceive senators as much as the public.

Furthermore, even if it is absolutely true that the military has a huge host of UAP that they have worked hard to identify and failed, and they are briefing the senators on the details, that does not mean that there is no explanation, it just means that trying to accurately explain a phenomenon that happened once or twice is extremely hard.

I have a backlog of dozens of bugs in my product that a customer has seen once or twice, with logs that show me they are right, that make no sense given the code and that we have been unable to reproduce. Should I conclude that alien devices interfered with my software to deceive my customer? Obviously not: complex systems are complex and have many corner case behaviors that we may never have a completely satisfying explanation for.


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