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I think you've hit on a good point. As a society we're still trying to figure out how to rule ourselves in the age of Social Media.

Let's pray we're able to figure it out before more blood is shed.


> What were you thinking? What was going through your heads? I'm genuinely curious

Many people were thinking Joe Biden was looking old... Until 2 months before the election when a faceless political elite replaced him with a candidate who had repeatedly lied about Joe Biden looking old. The American public might be stupid, but they don't like being treated as though they are stupid - which is exactly what the DNC did.


> the US isn't flooded with BYD electric cars from China. China's dirt cheap labor could decimate the US auto industry,

What you're describing is called "dumping", and it's a strategy China has used to varying degrees of success in other markets in order to destabilize foreign industries. It could be seen as an act of war.

Chinese labor is not actually so cheap anymore, many other developing nations are significantly less expensive. But China's secret weapon is total control and coordination across industries. They use this to subsidize target industries for the export market. You've highlighted automakers, but they also target steel, aluminum, and others. To a casual observer it almost appears as if they were targeting industries that could be readily adapted to wartime production.


> what is left to monetise?

Low latency, high bandwidth


From white paper:

>At its core, BitChat leverages the Noise Protocol Framework (specifically, the XX pattern) to establish mutually authenticated, end-to-end encrypted sessions between peers.


I actually wrote a Noise implementation and someone wanted to make a Bitchat implementation with it, but my impl only supports BLAKE2B (and I got the impression this person really didn't know what they wanted to do in the first place). It's kinda sad more haven't moved to BLAKE2B (or BLAKE3, which I almost never hear anyone talking about).

Canada total trade with USA in 2024: $917 billion

Canada total trade with China in 2024: $119 billion


total trade right now.

This move is obviously an attempt to decouple themselves from the States


If there's any truth to Dilbert, this is exactly what will happen.

I find that my cell phone which is 4 generations old and my desktop computer which is 2 generations old are totally adequate for everything I need to do, and I do not need faster processing

I used to think that.

I really don't care about most new phone features and for my laptop the M1 Max is still a really decent chip.

I do want to run local LLM agents though and I think a Mac Studio with an M5 Ultra (when it comes out) is probably how I'm going to do that. I need more RAM.

I bet I'm not the only one looking at that kind of setup now that was previously happy with what they had..


Apple has made some good progress on memory sharing over thunderbolt. If they could get that ironed out you maybe could run a good LLM on a cluster of Mac minis. Again you cannot today but people are working on it. One guy might have gotten it to work but it’s not ready for prime time yet.

> Apple has made some good progress on memory sharing over thunderbolt

The only reason that Thunderbolt exists is to expose DMA over an artificial PCI channel. I'd hope they've made progress on it, Thunderbolt has only been around for fourteen years after all.


But do you use any ai services like chat gpt, Claude, Gemini? If so you’re offloading your compute from a local stack to a high performance nvidia gpu stack operated by one of the big five. It’s not that you aren’t using new hardware, it’s that you shifted the load from local to centralized.

I’m not saying this is bad or anything, it’s just another iteration of the centralized vs decentralized pendulum swing that has been happening in tech since the beginning (mainframes with dumb terminals, desktops, the cloud, mobile) etc.

Apple might experience a slowdown in hardware sales because of it. Nvidia might experience a sales boom because of it. The future could very well bring a swing back. Imagine you could run a stack of Mac minis that replaced your monthly Claude code bill. Might pay for itself in 6mo (this doesn’t exist yet but it theoretically could happen)


> Imagine you could run a stack of Mac minis that replaced your monthly Claude code bill. Might pay for itself in 6mo (this doesn’t exist yet but it theoretically could happen)

You don't have to imagine. You can, today, with a few (major) caveats: you'll only match Claude from roughly ~6 months ago (open-weight models roughly lag behind the frontier by ~half a year), and you'd need to buy a couple of RTX 6000 Pros (each one is ~$10k).

Technically you could also do this with Macs (due to their unified RAM), but the speed won't be great so it'd be unusable.


We have data, people are buying phones in aggregate about every 2.5 - 3 years. Especially in the US where almost no one pays for a phone outright

Wonderful!

I wish I were in that situation, but I find myself able to use lots more compute than I have. And it seems like many others feel the same.


You are anecdote, not data.

Data is saying demand >>>>> supply.


I'm not anecdote, I'm man.

China 12 billion tons CO2 and steady, USA 6 billion tons CO2 and falling.

US bad, China very bad.


This kind of denial prevents any solution for global warming.

- USA emits much more per Capita

- CO2 accumulates in atmosphere, so you must account for emissions since the country industrialized

- USA sent it's polluting industries to China and buy the final products

The AA motto goes well: The first step is to admit you have a problem


No denying that US CO2 emissions down 16% since 2005

Yes, in part because the US outsourced a lot of their industry to China since. The US is still one of the principal per capita emitters, they need to cut emissions by two thirds to catch up with Europe and in half to reach China.

No denying US increased crude oil production from 5 to 13 million barrels per day and lng from 50 to 112 billion cubic feed per day. It just so happens PRC widget exports count as PRC emissions but US fossil exports don't count as US emissions. If they did US would be emitting roughly the same as 2005 or 30% higher, depending on if you believe industry or climate scientists. Industry claims lng is cleaner than displaced coal. Scientist claim lng leaks substantially higher than industry admits.

China population is 4 times of US and a lot of CO2 there comes from US outsourcing energy-intensive production.

> China population is 4 times of US

This is a fair criticism of per capita US emissions.

> a lot of CO2 there comes from US outsourcing energy-intensive production

This is not a reasonable indictment of US per capita emissions. China chooses to manufacture for the US and the world. Consumption, by the US, but importantly, also the rest of the world would be less if China didn't do cheap manufacturing at scale.


~15% of PRC emissions are attributed to exports. On the other hand 0% of US oil and lng exports are attributed to US emissions. Entire shale revolution is literal energy intensive production, it's just attributed to importers not exporters in accounting. In another world, emission accounting would be territorial - renewables would be credited to producer, carbon would be taxed to extractor.

Reasonable framing is PRC is emitting a lot simply because it has 4x people, exports are not substantial contributor, with caveat their population is declining. US is emitting more than what accounting shows, while also adding more increasing pop with higher per capita emissions. Probably not reasonable to criticize countries for population growth, but pretty fair to point out US (and other fossil exporters) should have exports count towards emissions, conversely, PRC renewable exports should be credited.

Instead they're being punished for producing the panel that saves other people emissions. For comparison US exported ~5 billion BOE / barrels of oil equivalent per year, PRC exported 0.5 BOE in solar, which translates to displacing 15 billion BOE assuming 30 year life span. In real world, PRC renewable exports is displacing 3x more emission than US fossil exports generate. That 15b BOE is larger than PRC emissions via exports, i.e. for all intents and purpose PRC export is now (substantial) net carbon sink, it's a global decarbonization utility. Meanwhile US chooses to be export fossil to the world.


Climate doesn't care about population or per capita metrics. The only metric that matters is CO2 PPM.

So all China needs to do is split in two to halve their emissions?

No, all China has to do, is to emmit the same CO2/land mass as the USA (or better, as the EU).

> CO2/land mass as the USA

I'm trying, but really struggling, to understand your logic of anchoring on land area.

Can you explain why you think that's a better metric than per capita? Is it because there are climate-changing emissions that are NOT driven by humans (e.g. seasonal wildfires, volcanic eruptions, etc.)? Or is it something else?


The amount of emissions that the planet can take (a that is the real crux of the problem) is what its ecosystems can offset.

It’s very hard to calculate exactly how much the ecosystem inside a country borders can offset, but a good enough metric is its landmass.

Sure, countries like Morrocos will win with this metric and countries like Brasil will lose. But in the end, it’s much better than rewarding what is actually a problem (for climate) like if it was some virtue: high birth rates.


Thanks for explaining your thinking.

> It’s very hard to calculate exactly how much the ecosystem inside a country borders can offset, but a good enough metric is its landmass.

I think this is a flawed basis, because weather patterns, sea rise, etc. don't honor country borders. Only highly localized pollution is somewhat "constrained", but country borders are even porous to that.

So I still don't know that it is an effective incentive to find a better balance. Per capita also has its problems, like penalizing less-developed countries from developing their societies, industries.


So if they annex Mongolia and Siberia, their emissions went massively down?

Nah.


What?

My point is that people tend to turn emissions into a pissing contest about which country is emitting more, and it always becomes a debate of total emission vs. per capita, because it's ultimately a political issue.

What I'm saying is that total emissions are what matter for climate change.


Total emissions matter on a global scale. To know approximately how much each nation ought to adjust their emissions we need to look at per capita adjusted for imports/exports for products and services consumed locally but created remotely.

You said per capita doesn’t matter.

If China split evenly into two new countries, each country’s emissions are half what China’s was.

This is why per capita matters.


Climate doesn't care about climate change, humans do. Only worthwhile metric is what geopolitics agree on, right now that's per capita emissions even though it's lenient vs historic emitters.

Great sounds like they know how they can improve. If they halve their population they'll get it down to USA levels!

The traditional HN solution for Climate Change: If they only had more babies in the USA, their CO2 per capita emissions would fall and we would save the planet!

These 5th column arguments, are just appaling. USA (and EU, if we finally wake up and smell the coffee) don't have to pay for Asian high birthrates.

If a country has the same area as another, I expect that country to stick to the same total emissions.

China doesn't have to pay for it's high birthrates in the past? Well, then the West doesn't have to pay for their inovation and productivity in the past as well.


while even people born in Asian countries like me would like to go back 3-4 generations and forcefully reduce birthrates, it is not a problem as simple as it seems.

By that logic Canada, Australia, NZ, and arguably even US are settled places and should not be counted.

I do agree that every goalpost can be moved by drawing the boundary as you wish, but surely the fact that developed countries enjoyed a good standard of living for 100+ years and contributed more for a long time counts for something


China is doing so while western countries delegated a lot of its manufacturing to China though.

The fact that US emissions are not going down shows that something is really really wrong there.

Europe claiming that its emissions are going down is deceptive as taking into account its share of emission in China would paint a different picture.


Sure, in the end, we must always find a way to blame western societies while we give a blank check for China (and other bad actors) to continue doing whatever they are doing...

This was never about saving the planet, it was always about destroying our socio-economic system. Look how the tune changed in Brazil when Lula came into power: they never burned so much rainforest, but now it's fine, becasue socialists are in power.


Oops, i fed a troll or an ai

He’s a troll

The issue is never the issue. The issue is always The Revolution.

Now do cumulative over past century, then account for US consumption of goods now produced in China.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292

China falling actually.

> USA 6 billion tons CO2 and falling

You're literally commenting on an article about it increasing.


ok but if you just look at the trends you'll see that actually china is flat, and america is decreasing, /on trend/

The most recent trends show China is decreasing and America is increasing emissions. China is building out renewable energy and America is doing the opposite. So these trends are likely to continue.

What "trends" are you talking about?


and per capita?

That's just over 10^-9 degrees Celsius per capita

Only kelvin would make sense for per capita calculations with temperature.

your right, an obvious mistake on my part, thank you for the correction :P

Try per capita

per capita?

It should have gotten more attention on HN

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