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I don't think the community necessarily rejects the idea of a "search engine" project, but the way it was communicated (or lack of) is the main problem.

As well, the foundation has no current strategic plan at the moment. Once there is a plan (formed with community involvement) and it's decided some search project should be a priority, then I think most people would have no problem with such grant funding.


regarding OSM can't use content from Wikipedia... that has nothing to do with share-alike.

the reason is that stuff like coordinates in wikipedia are widely derived from Google Maps or Google Earth. OSM community is concerned that is a violation of database rights or license. Is Google Maps open data? from Wikipedia perspective, coordinates are just facts and not-copyrightable and the US does not have database rights, so it's ok; OSM is based in europe where there are database rights and the community is concerned for other reasons, also and reluctant to accept such Wikipedia-derived contents into OSM.


Also Google has said that their maps are copyrighted, and has a terms of service/use.


I would not contribute if companies (e.g. Google) could just take the data and not give back to OSM.

ODBL isn't perfect but share-alike is important for OSM.


> I would not contribute if companies (e.g. Google) could just take the data and not give back to OSM.

Why not? OSM still remains useful and authorative.

I see this in photography circles with Creative Commons. People choosing 'No Commmercial' clauses so that companies 'can't make money with my work'; but there is no negative impact on the photographer if a company does so, so why care?

If Google makes $100 million with my photograph, or with my OSM contributions, then that's dandy. It doesn't affect me and it doesn't undermine OSM.


It's not about google making money with it they can already do that today.

> It doesn't affect me and it doesn't undermine OSM.

Just that that's exactly what it does. Google takes OSM data, combines it with their great services and gives nothing back and now there is less initiative for people to use OSM.

> People choosing 'No Commmercial' clauses so that companies 'can't make money with my work'; but there is no negative impact on the photographer if a company does so, so why care?

Yes there is. If you give it out for free when google would otherwise had payed it means that some photographer didn't get payed because you have it away for fee. So overall photographers befit if they all don''t give it out for free, because that means the company has to pay one of the if they need a picture.


stopped reading at "much of it is organized by volunteers" as that's not really true anymore.

I'm sure the A/B testing can be improved but not at all convinced how it's done now is "wrong".


Deutsche Bank online banking allows authorizing bank card use in foreign countries. The feature is only available on the German version of their website. I can also set daily / weekly limits for my bank card. For online transactions, I think 2 factor authorization is used. (e.g. enter a TAN)

For my bank account in US, I am not aware of any option for authorizing foreign transactions online (only calling the bank), nor setting usage limits. I can set alerts to be notified for transactions, but only $100+ transactions.

The one time I did get "hacked", it was with another card where I got notified immediately by email each time it was used. So found out quickly when thousands of dollars were being spent on iTunes! I think those were in a rapid series of smaller transactions (can't remember, less than $100 or more, but maybe less). The notifications allowed me to promptly get my card cancelled to at least limit the damage and then was able to get my money back. Lesson is for stuff like iTunes (well, I don't like to use them anymore), but generally to buy gift cards, when possible, for online shopping/services and put the credit onto my account. For more popular places like Amazon or iTunes, gift cards can be bought in many brick and mortar places with cash. Then I don't have to give them my credit card or bank info.


The issue with transaction limits (while they're good in general) is exactly what you've mentioned, lots of small transactions quickly after each other do not get blocked.

Actually this is now one of the most popular card frauds in Poland right now: majority of newly issues cards are paypass/paywave-enabled and moreover, offline (not checking the balance while paying, and usually there's also no limit imposed on number of consecutive operations without PIN - though technically it would be trivial to implement).

I.e. you can even make someone a negative balance on his account with a series of rapid small (<12€) touch transactions, and many people are not aware of this, while banks keep telling people that everything's super secured.


well, I can set a limit of say 500 euros (or whatever I need) per day. So even with a lot of smaller transactions, there is a point where they would stop.

Damage can still be done, though and I'm not aware if/how I can get alerts for transactions. So I need to remember to check my account often.


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pretty sure I've not been to economist.com in a while. :/


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