Why would they take so long anyway and be behind volunteer run projects like debian? Is it something about corporate shenanigans and testing? because afaik in fedora for example firefox is always behind in security updates compared to debian.
I'd suppose most of those junk websites have no value in them, really. The most valuable information in the web is in good ol' (x)html, maybe some css. But something like readability.js [1] can help in filtering the junk around the main info.
Plain text is not robust at all. Not now, and not in the futue. Its actually useless.
How do you save images in plain text ?
Lot of usefull information is stored in pictures.
ie: in technical articles about graphics, hardware.
Or some diagrams mentioned and refereced in the text.
Even medieval books have pictures, because some things need to be shown, and it is not enough to just write some text about it.
Anyway, youre probably just a very very old troll, typing this on a typewriter...
Making a community maintained strict subset of the WWW is the way to go if you don't want to always rely on the monopolies. The W3C people had a good vision for the web that was compatible with the soul of the web as Tim Berners-Lee intended, but also different to what those that then went and made WHATthey were thinkingWG that wanted to embrace, extend, and extinguish the WWW into their dystopia of the web of application and forcing the poor html and css into this amalgamation instead of building on a more compatible base to their ideas. But corpos only look at the possible profit and not the general consequences, they're like parasites.
Web of applications is a novel idea if executed well, but imo just download the executable and use the package manager to update it, and we still have the internet for communication, there's no need for a pseudo OS on top of the OS, if you want sandboxing and a VM do what they did with Java. The modern Web is unnecessary, everything that needs JS or frameworks is because of the retardation in the initial primitive design of the WWW and html, everything could have been implemented in a new xml markup akin to htmx, they were steering to that with their ideas in XHTML2 but never finished because of oppositions from Google et al. Other things like implementing an office suit or playing games in the browser is incompatible with the WWW, and like I said you better go and make a better platform for that.
Today it's simple to write your own OS than make a web browser, which contradicts everything about the web being decentralized and a protocol, what's the difference then if we would send propriety bytecode to this VM called the modern web instead of html et al? Sure you can still use and support a subset, and because of that I mentioned this idea as the first sentence, but this is the trick of EEE; the majority would bite the propriety extended conveniences and make it the new standard, then they would constantly extended until it becomes a game of resources which they have the higher hand in.
Some would say it's opensource and anyone can implement it, that's half the truth when it's so complex and grand that only *big* corporations can handle it, and that the WHATWG confessed that the real standard became the source code of the big 3: chromium, webkit, and gecko.
Those that believe this is some kind of "tinfoil hat bs" and there's no conspiracy are worse than those that believe everything is a conspiracy; because at least the latter would be right once, while the former are never right. I didn't mention also how the new web makes it easier for their spyware, but that's obvious. The web was about decentralization and standardization, but they skillfully made it the literal opposite.
In another world, Netscape is able to reach a deal with Sun, and the JVM gets integrated into Mozilla. New browsers just need to implement the JVM and bind it with their XHTML's rendering engine DOM API.
It would have been the application platform people ask for, with a separate namespace for application-related tags so you can just switch them up with the OS's native UI controls.
Instead of that, we got Yet Another VM, WebAssembly.
Not trying to throw shade, but I think the number of devs wishing that the web ended up with XHTML + JVM (now owned by Oracle...) may just be you.
Never mind that when Microsoft licensed Java from Sun for IE3 and IE4, Sun sued Microsoft. Sun wanted to be the only distributor of Java, just like Adobe was with Flash. So, browsers wouldn't have actually included a Java runtime out of the box without licensing/paying Sun for it. I'm sure that dependency would have only gotten even better under Oracle.
Those of us old enough to remember the web with plugins, don't miss plugins.
> Not trying to throw shade, but I think the number of devs wishing that the web ended up with XHTML + JVM
I don't necessarily like the JVM, it's just the most popular system-independent bytecode virtual machine (and historically plausible). It's a lot easier to built a bytecode interpreter than a full language. As mentioned elsethread, Scheme would have been even better, with an even smaller base.
XHTML, however, full in. Namespaces and syntax checking alone would have been worth it.
> Never mind that when Microsoft licensed Java from Sun for IE3 and IE4, Sun sued Microsoft.
Microsoft was in their peak EEE era, no wonder Sun didn't want to do anything with that.
> Those of us old enough to remember the web with plugins, don't miss plugins.
That's why I didn't mention plugins, browsers would have a JVM engine, instead of a JS one.
Microsoft was definitely at their peak evil EEE era, but it isn't like Sun didn't want to exclusively own/control Java too. It was Sun that put the Java in JavaScript but wanted to ensure it stayed a toy language.
Think of how truly horrendous it would be if every browser had the JVM built in and Oracle was calling the shots on the language the whole web is written on? How much would they be charging for a license?
Anybody would be able to make their own JVM, thought (they might need to call it the ECMA Virtual Machine). And seeing how the WHATGC works, I don't think they might be able to keep any sort of control.
Another reason to make the default disabling JS on all websites, and the website should offer a service without JS, especially those implemented in obsolete garbage tech. If it's not an XSS from a famous website, it will be an exploit from a sketchy website.
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