I'm now getting _this HN article_ as the top Google result for "list of public atproto relays". Weird.

Yes, I "used an incognito window". Yes, I checked on multiple devices. Yes, Google is personalized. Maybe if you search "list of public atproto relays" from East Timor you get lists of public atproto relays. But you sure don't from Seattle right now.

>I'm now getting _this HN article_ as the top Google result for "list of public atproto relays". Weird.

I find that happening all the time when I google stuff discussed in reddit threads, the top result is often the thread I just came from, despite whatever quote or lyric or whatever having existed for years outside of reddit.

Yes happened on reddit too here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1umokol

Google has indexed both of them, actually, you can search successfully for those two domains directly. They just don't come up when you search for "list of public atproto relays". Any other theories?

In the AI overview yeah, but do you see the sites below? I wonder if it's being tuned to prefer generating its own "list of X" implementations and downranking other peoples' lists.

Are any of those results a list of public atproto relays?

Yes.

Could you link it? Curious to see how buried it is for me. Personalization is one thing but on my results I'm getting Tor relays, Nostr relays, IPFS relays, and Fediverse relays and I haven't yet seen a list of atproto relays. I'm on like page 6 now.

I'm not the same commenter, but here's a Kagi share link so you can explore their results:

https://kagi.com/search?q=list+of+public+atproto+relays&r=no...

Kagi's are good, yes. The issue is with Google's.

Daniel Holmgren discusses this in his really good atproto ethos talk — the P2P networks are cool but incapable of delivering on what users expect from modern social media https://youtu.be/1A-0k58TfPo?si=f_d4uoz_I8kMoKDw

There are many relays, here's a list of 13 but it's not comprehensive: https://tangled.org/firehose.club/community-firehose-list/bl...

Bluesky's moderation actions are generally implemented as moderation labels which take effect at the AppView level. Sometimes they'll take down someone's PDS or censor from their relays, but I don't believe third-party relays are aware of those relay takedowns at all.

You're right, I was probably confusing appviews with relays.

There are multiple Bluesky AppViews, Blacksky has a totally independent one. And there are multiple relays, each capable of serving a firehose.

Yep lots! Mine is a livestreaming service: https://stream.place

Also a great blogging platform: https://leaflet.pub

Here's a goal tracker: https://goals.garden

This one just dropped recently; it's 44 different atproto-related apps with a cyberpunk theme: https://www.aetheros.computer/

Lots others mentioned here: https://blueskydirectory.com/

AT conference in a couple of days. In Vancouver. Bet they are all there and the rest of the AT bunch.

what if I want to publish something publicly on the internet though

Maybe some could want to publish something publicly but anonymously?

You can do that already — just don't post under an account that has your real identity

Bluesky is incredibly just "sign up with a thing." Except even easier, because you don't have to pick an instance first.

"Sign up with a thing" -- but then what about after that? You've made a bunch of stuff, what happens to it?

Offloading THAT mentally to a different "service" or "account" I think is easier than this all-in-one thing.

Again, I like the IDEA a lot; if you'd presented it to me like in 2000 before a lot of this stuff took off I would have been all about it.

Today? No, I think it's reasonable to offload that to so-and-so-dot-com, each as a separate account. Like the phrase "I have a facebook" always sounds weird to ME, but I think that's "the way."