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There is a difference between "never been shown to" and "shown to never".


Scientists (and logicians) avoid saying "shown to never", as it's much harder - almost impossible - to prove a negative[0]. This is also a black swan[1] type situation. The only way you can say something is never something is if you understand all occurrences of it; otherwise you can only report on what you've been shown.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#P...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory


Yes but the problem with "never been shown" is how it's often used to "take advantage" of people's interpretation like what you list above.

For example dropping a 27.4 kg ball on someone's head has never been shown to cause injury. We've dropped a 26.3 and a 29.5, but we've never studied dropping 27.4 kg - and as a result, "dropping a 27.4 kg ball on someone's head has never been shown to cause injury".

Frequently "never been shown" its used as a weasely way of saying "we've never looked at", or "we don't know if"


>This is also a black swan[1] type situation

So one that is almost certain to happen given some time?

>The only way you can say something is never something is if you understand all occurrences of it;

"Understanding all occurences of it" seems like a good criterion for allowing potentially mass murderous work or not. That said, it sounds stricter than what it is. We just need them to know how a thing works and not be doing "sorcerer's apprentices" style peek and poke work.

They don't need to "prove a negative". For example we don't asks scientists to prove that "water can't explode and destroy the earth" to let them work with it casually. It's enough that they know it well. Do they know prion as well as they do water?


Yes but many experts take "never been shown to" to mean that we ought to act as if it doesn't for now. That's an important and useful social mechanism in the laborious process of constructing a solid edifice of truth from the crooked timber of humanity. But it's unwise when considering public health responses.


You're absolutely right, but it's also true that the phrase "never been shown to" most often functions in a sentence more like "doesn't/can't happen" than "we have no idea."


That was meant to be my point, the down vote makes me think I didn’t make it clearly enough…


Interestingly, if you remove "rund" it changes from "only 50 yards" to "just 50 meters".


If memory serves Opera was the first browser that had tabs but they were also in Firefox by the time Chrome released.


yes, I remember Opera being first with tabs too. It was one of the main reasons people chose Opera IIRC


As someone who was in one of the best low-sec/0.0 pvp corps for several years, I completely agree with you. Theres no other game that quite matches the feeling of dancing around each other until someone manages to pin an important enough target down long enough that both sides have to commit to the fight. PVP between small to medium sized gangs in EVE is the best PVP I've ever participated in.


You indent line A with tabs. You use tabs to line the start of line B up with the start of line A (indentation) and then use spaces to move it the rest of the way to where you want it (alignment).


And as an aside, it's worth pointing out that most editors will handle the initial tab part automatically, so it's not like you have to do mental math to think "okay, this many tabs, and now switch to spaces". Just at the end of line A, you hit enter and start hammering the space bar.


Comments that take legitimate concerns with the merits of a particular study and dismiss them as misogyny don't add anything to the discussion either.


Thanks for illustrating my point so nicely :)

For one thing, rather than engaging with what I actually said, you inaccurately framed it as an accusation of misogyny.

What other ways do you see your comment as a good example of what I was saying?

How do you see the other comments in the thread as examples?


I run MATLAB on Ubuntu 14.04 every day and have never had any of the issues you're describing. Are you sure there isn't something else going on there?


It must be then. I had a student doing a term paper with the exact same problem. Often plotting related, but not necessarily. Havn't been able to find a solution myself, or online.


It almost killed me when mine broke earlier this year and I found out they don't make them anymore. Best mouse I've ever used, and its corpse still has a place of honor at the top of the pile of old hardware in my closet.


Join a PvP corp, fly cheap ships, do just enough missions/exploration/pirating/trading/mining/whatever to keep yourself in ammo, and have a blast shooting people. EVE only turns into Spreadsheets in Space if you make it that way.


In all seriousness, my theory is that the more you want to solo in EVE, the more it turns into Spaceships and Spreadsheets.


I agree that the title could be read both ways, but as someone who works with CV, I knew immediately what it meant. CV outside of a few specific applications on controlled images is only just starting to work at all.


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