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Googles Agent Identity is already built around SPIFFE but others are not.

I believe the substrate egress-gateway needs to handover the internal SPIFFE one to an external system (e.g. Entra Agent ID). Not sure if that should be part of substrate or kagent/ax/..


IIUC agent-sandbox and agent-substrate (the one ax builds upon) are similar. Agent-sandbox is more k8s-native, while agent-substrate is less so.

Personally I think that this kind of workload is better off not being tied too much into kubernetes. I've worked with crossplane and other controller who put a lot of load on the k8s-apiserver and etcd and can easily slow the whole machinery down / grind them to a halt.

btw, agent-substrate is in the process of being moved to CNCF: https://github.com/cncf/sandbox/issues/523


Agent Substrate was built to provide a few (important) things over Agent Sandbox:

* More efficient usage of compute by timeslicing agents (Substrate Actors), which requires fast suspend and resume (using gVisor or cloud-hypervisor snapshots), as well as keeping the K8s control plane out of the critical path (so agents can't be stored as resources in the K8s database).

* Deep inspection of outgoing requests using an egress gateway

* Minimizing the exposure of credentials to unpredictable agent control (so they can't upload access tokens to pastebin).

Achieving those goals ultimately required a significantly different design from Agent Sandbox.


Agent Substrate is being moved to CNCF: https://github.com/cncf/sandbox/issues/523


yes, please! really like to see that


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