I personally think video games / fashion / entertainment have much higher societal / environmental concern than AI. But it isn't for me to judge. You and many other people enjoy them. I'm in the minority. So are you or am I right?

> actually we still don't want those shit datacenters, this wreckless scraping

Those are used by the useless things I mentioned above. I don't think you're showing the same outrage.

Did you buy from China? How were the workers who made those items treated? How did you get those items to where you live? Do you know how much pollution that would cause? (I do buy them, btw, I have no moral superiority).

Did you travel? Think about the cost it causes to society. Again, I love travel.

I don't have problems with you criticizing AI or your favorite targets of the day. I do have issues with fake morality, lacking of self reflection.

Oh no, you got me! Actually you didn't: I don't do fashion (originally not even because of its awful environmental impact), I avoid taking planes (because yes, they are an environmental concern!) and I happen to not play the video games (but wtf? The amount of servers needed to run the games is probably a rounding error).

And yes, I do try to think about my footprint when I do something. There's a lot of stuff I don't do because of this. You really made a lot of assumptions on me.

Okay, you got me, it happens that I do stuff for entertainment. I know, I should only work, eat and sleep. Because it's well known that the first gram of CO2 released in the atmosphere because of something I do for entertainment forbids me from criticizing anything.

> I have no moral superiority

Good for you. I mean, if you think it's morally superior not to engage in morality… (it doesn't magically free you from your responsibilities though).

Note: you are the one expecting moral purity here (but only from the people you see as your opponents, how convenient).

How about we acknowledge that someone buying stuff from china is not barred from criticizing the LLMs, avoid the whataboutism and keep things on topic and in good faith now?

Weren't you hesitant downloading apps pre-LLM? If you were, what is the difference?

How do you know it wouldn't scale?

> For some it's also a vanity thing, where entrepreneur or startup sounds better.

That's your projection

What? Don't get so defensive just because I stated my opinion. Nothing here was an attack at you. And it's not a projection, words have different connotations no matter what you believe. Some think self-employed sounds cool, other think it's not. Some think entrepreneur gives some vibe, some think it gives another.

Why? if he's selling his labor, then it's self employed. Selling a product, that's a proper business.

Explain what you mean by not being able to get to Mars?

Huh? new tech companies have proliferated in the US the last few years. M&A is just one side of the coin. Without an exit path -- IPO, acquisition or private credits -- there is very little appetite for new businesses.

Did you know that 151 companies were founded by SpaceX's alumni? Compare to 5 they've acquired (not including XAI)

https://www.alumnifounders.com/stats

Enough with your facts and data.

Obviously my feelings about things I know little about, games I have no skin in, are important.

If you say anything to the contrary the group-think will downvote you.

Shut up bigot.

/s

> when you know your creation will be buried underneath 20 other low quality versions

So you want to show off instead of doing it for yourself? find something harder to show off then.

I can hardly run 5km, but I was still immensely proud of myself whenever I did. It still brings me great joy even though I'm a mediocre runner at best.

Different people have different feeling and motivation and reasons for doing things. No doubt there are people thinking like you, but it's to early to tell how it will be for the majority.

> People still play chess and go and StarCraft

Because most people still find them enjoyable. You can't say those are less enjoyable than math. There is no universal scale for enjoyment.

> kind of like you might eat today even though you already ate yesterday

You'd die if you stop eating after yesterday's meals. That's survival.

We don't. Just like how we know if smcg is from a competitor attempting to create FUD?

It works in mysterious ways, but you know exactly it will behave certain way "Because of the vibes, and investors are indeed all about the vibes."?

The first paragraph is describing a general trend over multiple events across multiple agents. Between zero and three of these can be true for any transaction across every transaction.

The second paragraph is specific to OpenAIs behavior.