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Unfortunately all vendors do it. Here is how to disable it, for most brands: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id...


I bought 2 smart TVs recently and was able to turn all this BS off by simply not accepting the privacy policies during setup. Of course this means you can't use the built-in netflix apps or check for software updates or whatever but that's fine by me. I left both on my network for a period of time as well to check (via DPI) and indeed neither one was actually doing anything on the network other than pinging a software-update server every few days.


Here is how to disable it for all brands: Don't connect your TV to the internet.


Exactly. I wouldn't trust any TV where it's even an option.


If only that were a future-proof strategy. :-(


Some of the newer TVs need to be configured with internet access to even work.


I'd return it and get a different manufacturer.


Got specific examples? Bold claims require proper sources.


I just bought a new TV and found zero examples of that from any manufacturer.


Thanks for sharing this! I had to go disable this "feature" on the "Smart TV" my family has. Turned off "Viewing Information Services" and "Interest Based Advertising". It was on by default!?


On my recent LG WebOS-TV Netflix and Amazon Prime wont start anymore after that.


Great link, I still don't connect mine to the internet.

I was hoping it mentioned consoles. Does anyone know if PS4 does this and if there is a way to turn it off?


Having worked with Erlang for few years. I still don't understand the new hype behind it. Ok, the Beam VM have a lot of good ideas. But I think that API of OTP and the language itself do not help to make concise and maintainable code. And you're pretty much on your own about tooling. I really think that even if you can achieve good performance/scalability in theory, in practice your team become less productive.


Was that a long time ago? The tooling has improved massively after Elixir and Hex appeared. The upcoming “Adopting Erlang” book goes into that history a bit:

https://adoptingerlang.org/docs/development/dependencies/


It's really easy to be productive using Lisp-Flavoured Erlang!

http://lfe.io/


I think it's about Elixir. Personally I won't start a web project with Erlang: it's too hard to read and to write, it makes me feel like I'm still in the 80s (it's when I started coding.) Elixir is almost 1:1 with Erlang and I'm much more comfortable with it.

I can't say much about tooling because I never really worked with Erlang, only some toy programs. Elixir's tooling seems to be on par with what I'm using for Ruby, JavaScript and Python.


It's better than those. I can write an integraion test that leaves the vm via http request a comes back in and the http handler only views a shard of the shared state of the system associated with that particular test. That's a concurrent integration test. You can't really do that reliably without the BEAM.

Thanks to Elixirs macros, the code for this subsystem is about 75 lines of code and in order to use it in a group of tests it's a single "use" statement at the head of the test, and the hooks inside of the main part of the code are compiled to no-ops in prod.


> I still don't understand the new hype behind it

Other OTP based languages have different standards for API consistency, developer comfort, and documentation, and generally feel 'more modern' in those respects. That's probably where the hype is coming from.


What tooling are you talking about?


https://agilemanifesto.org/ > Working software over comprehensive documentation

In-app education = documentation


Multi-platform isn't a thing anymore?


Really? This is a native macOS app. It would have to be entirely recreated for other platforms, which is a waste of time and resources for an MVP. If this were a multiplatform Electron app, it would be getting criticism for being an Electron app.


To be fair, it never really was. Mac and Linux were always after thoughts to Windows. Now things are trending towards Mac first, leaving Linux and Windows looking outside in.


In what world do you live that apps are created Mac first?


Presumably the design/visualisation one.


I actually did with my company and anyway it was a bad decision. JavaFX and swing customization is really not easy and not well documented. JavaFX uses custom XML which make no sense to be honest when you want to do nice design. And it requires custom CSS too.

Additionally, their design are bad(I mean their Java API).

We spend a whole year making an app with it, at the end we decided move away from it, like the rest of the java community if fact that do not really support desktop applications anymore.


> JavaFX uses custom XML which make no sense to be honest when you want to do nice design.

I don't see why the custom XML should be a problem. Definitely you are not supposed to edit the .fxml files by hand, especially when you have apps like Scene Builder that allow you to design everything from a GUI.

> And it requires custom CSS too.

That's true only for a few JavaFX-specific properties. The CSS syntax doesn't change very much. Also, it's not a surprising feature: QT, the C++ GUI framework, also uses custom CSS.


FX1 or FX2?


Vue is good for simple things. But it do not shines for complex apps and sometime makes it even harder than it should be. React can appears complicated when beginning, but it pays off on complex apps.


People keep on saying this, but I've written complex apps with both Vue and React (using state stores) and there don't to be any apparent scaling differences. They even use the same component model (virtual DOM, props down, events up).

There are some claims that Vue uses two-way-binding which is unmaintainable, but v-model isn't true two way binding and is just syntax sugar for builtin tags: https://v1.vuejs.org/guide/forms.html With React, you would have to explicitly write the event handler/setter out, and some may prefer explicitness (but again, there's nothing stopping you from doing the same with Vue).

Vue just has some nice features (computed properties, better style scoping, etc) and different methods for inheritance/templating (but you can use ES6 classes and JSX if you want to), and like somebody else mentioned, is plug and play (yes, you can technically write React render functions without a transpiler, but do you want to?) while Vue (with the template compiler bundled) lets you write templates with HTML attributes using just a script embed.

There are a bunch of other arguments that are more nuanced (ecosystem, bus factor, etc..) but from what I've experienced, Vue is no worse at scaling than React simply because they share the same conceptual model.


Sounds like I'll have to try it out! Definitely don't want to put all my eggs in the React basket with all the patent stuff right now so would like some experience of the alternatives.


> lets you write templates with HTML attributes

that's somewhat bothersome... does it typecheck on compile time? hope vue works on typescript-language-specs compliant plugin...

As for react, there's TSX (typescript-jsx) that works great (typechecks on props, state, etc.), but I haven't tried it with vue.


If you use single file components, there are some common compile time checks by default for the render function, but I'd argue that type checks are not as necessary as in JSX (which you can use with full type checking in Vue) due to separation being encouraged.

Type checking for props and state inside the <script> tags is fully supported: https://vuejs.org/v2/guide/typescript.html

If you want type checks for inline <template> code (which isn't suitable for anything non-trivial, you should use computed properties or methods instead), see https://github.com/DanielRosenwasser/typescript-vue-tutorial

If you are using uncompiled components (newbies using script embeds) with no build step at all, there are clearly no compile time checks. IMO this is why Vue is significantly more newbie friendly.


This is totally not true. It depends on how you structure your project. Vue is good for simple things but it scales way better for large complex apps than React. Why? Less boilerplate. And less boilerplate = less code to maintain. Vue HTML template functions are really well designed with just enough functionality to make your life easier but also encouraging you to build custom components when you need something custom :)

My only suggestion for people starting with Vue is to not be afraid of directives (Vue directives are nice and have nothing to do with Angular directives), group your .vue components into directories and don't jump into Vuex right away (same goes for React beginners, don't force yourself to learn Redux for your 1 page app).


you should try mobx + react for 'local' state management. mobx provides something similar to vue (MVVM), and the amount boilerplate becomes somewhat like vue's


Sorry but that's not true. We have a pretty heavy VueJS application in production with like 500 components and it's a pleasure to work with, and is still quite performant.


This is the impression I get, but I've not got any Vue experience to back it up so it's literally just based on first impressions.

I completely agree that React can feel like overkill for simple stuff, but really shines as the apps get more complex - complexity feels a lot more manageable.

For example, I built this in-browser Illustrator-inspired site/app using React and couldn't have imagined doing it without (in terms of making managing state and reasoning about things easy as the app grows more complex): http://f37foundry.com (the type tester on the desktop homepage, apologies for limited browser support!). Curious if you could do that sort of complex app with Vue.


> please visit this site using some recent version of [browser that sends all your data to Google]

slowclap

If using a JS framework means you don't have time to test your website in more than one browser, I'll happily continue writing plain JS (or better yet, no JS).


It's just the type tester element which is not accessible with browsers other than Safari or Chrome, because there's quite a lot of CSS trickery/hacks to make it work which didn't work in Firefox.

As mentioned in my other comment, due to the target audience it was decided that it wasn't worth the investment to get it working on other browsers right now, but the rest of the site should still work.

Not React's fault, just a lack of time/budget and a lack of native browser support for advanced typography.


False dichotomy. OP could have tested for FF if he wanted to, irrespective of the framework he has chosen.

Personally, I develop Firefox-first and then work on compatibility for lesser browsers like Chrome and Safari.

Of course things have been complicated a bit now that Firefox Focus is out and uses Webkit...


What is complex about the site?


I didn't think it was complex until I clicked on Jagger on the first page. It gave no indication of being editable, or I just missed the clues.

Once you do click it, I'd say the complexity of the site becomes more clear.

Or maybe my reference point for "complexity" is just low.

Regardless, very cool site. Nice work!


Ah yes, I was referring to the type tester specifically :) Thanks, was a lot of work but a good fun project!


Managing the state and rendering of all the text items as the user manipulates them (this is on the desktop "type tester" homepage, not mobile) - essentially trying to build a "desktop-class" (to some degree!) experience à la Adobe Illustrator.

The rest of the site is pretty basic granted. Maybe it's not a great example, but it's the sort of thing that could have easily become unmaintainable in the old days as features were added quickly, but React and the component model (and MobX) made it much more manageable even as I hacked things in last minute ;)


There's a plugin for Vue named Vuex which serves as a single state store just like Redux. It's simple to use and makes things a lot more manageable.


Cheers, I intend to try it out. Curious to see how their React Native equivalent works, huge selling point for React IMO but I should try the alternatives!


what seems overkill in reactjs?


I mean for the simple use cases like adding some validation to a form or a simple widget on a site. But in my experience, these projects usually grow to the point where you are glad you went with React. Personally I'm a huge fan and build things with it I couldn't have imagined doing a few years ago, so I hope all this patent stuff gets resolved/blows over.


I’m curious, how did you manage to build a website that claims to work in Chrome, but not in Chromium? In Safari, but not in Firefox?

And worst of all, it actually obviously works in Chromium and Firefox, but you just check the UA.

Works:

    Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/60.0.3112.90 Safari/537.36
Doesn’t work:

    Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu Chromium/60.0.3112.90 Chrome/60.0.3112.90 Safari/537.36
I mean, sure, if you want to build a site that relies on ridiculous UA testing, and breaks everywhere, sure.

But not even in the "works best in Netscape" era did people actually intentionally break their pages in browsers where it actually worked. This is a new low. This is completely ridiculous.

Proof: http://i.imgur.com/YlPE77b.jpg Oh, and as you can see, if I spoof the UA in FF; it actually works fine. This is completely bullshit, and I’m sure I’ll never do business with you. This is completely ridiculous, leaving out major browsers (and, for example, over 40% of the desktop browsing market in Germany) intentionally and unnecessarily.


Ultimately this was a client project with a fixed budget and timeline so a decision had to be made between extending browser support and adding more features.

Given the target audience (graphic designers, the vast majority of whom are on Mac and will use Safari or Chrome, as I validated from stats on other sites I've built), the decision was made to focus work on the type tester on those browsers.

The rest of the site should still be accessible with any browser, but we decided it was better to not show the type tester at all than have a broken experience (which was the situation with Firefox).

Anyway, hopefully that justifies it somewhat - I think it was the right decision all things factored in. There's a lot of CSS trickery/hackery to make the type tester work (native support for advanced typography stuff is poor) so making it x-browser wasn't easy. The messaging to users of other browsers could probably be improved though :)


> Anyway, hopefully that justifies it somewhat - I think it was the right decision all things factored in. There's a lot of CSS trickery/hackery to make the type tester work (native support for advanced typography stuff is poor) so making it x-browser wasn't easy. The messaging to users of other browsers could probably be improved though :)

It doesn’t even work on Chromium, in the same version as Chrome. There is literally no excuse for that, it’s literally the same browser engine.

On top of that, even back in the "best viewed on netscape navigator 4.0" era there was a solution for this: Show a message that it was only tested with browser X, and that your client was too cheap to pay for anything else, but at least allow the user to bypass that.

As said, the excuses convinced me even more to never do business with you.


Go grind your axe somewhere else... Why would you go off on some random person on the internet when obviously didn't have the relevant context?

Moreover, you failed to acknowledge the points they made in response!


This is behaviour that's harmful to the web as a whole.

The loop of "everyone only uses chrome" → "I only need to support chrome with my website" → "nothing works on firefox, I'll switch ti Chrome" is harmful to the entire internet industry, and the startuo economy.

It is harmful to all of us, and hurts all of our future.


I agree with with you that this is an important issue. However, your aggressive comments that ignore what the other person said may not be helping.


I am getting more aggressive because the other person completely ignores the effects on the surrounding ecosystem, and does not even consider a solution that would provide a compromise, as the "optimized for chrome and safari, ignore and use anyway" button would provide.

I see their situation, and their limits, but this is a very egocentric opinion that completely ignores the effects on the rest of society, which is an issue that's just all too common (see also monopolistic effects, or environmental effects, etc).


Fair enough. I will say, from a strategic standpoint, my hunch is that presenting your case in a less hostile manner will bring you more success.


Good point about Chromium, I'll change that - it wasn't deliberately excluded. But disagree about the messaging, in this case it was more important to the client that the feature worked as smoothly as possible than that everyone could see it. In some cases I'd disagree, but given the narrow target demographic (and their browser choices) here, I think it was a reasonable choice.


How you scale your apps is related to how you architecture your project, not what library you use.


i'd say it's quite the opposite. vue makes complex apps easy to write, where react makes it look complex all the time.


Agreed, the learning curve to build more complex, larger applications in vuejs was considerably less than with react.


> but it pays off on complex apps.

so does Angular


This.

How much simpler than functions as components, that get their props as parameters could it get?

Every example of Vue components I have seen was more complicated...


That is suspicious to me. No address, no contact, no support.


I've been a happy customer for years. The contact is [email protected] - it's on the pricing page. I've emailed support a few times and they answer very promptly.

Rsync.net has been around forever - like 15 years. They predate the concept of 'cloud'. They were the first to use a 'warrant canary', in 2006. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary)



RE the warrant canary: all legal analysis I've seen points to the canary being functionally useless. A court would throw out the defense immediately, removing a canary pointing out that a warrant has been served is the same as tweeting that you got a warrant.

It's the minimal legal hack: completely useless in a court but massive generator of internet comments

Though it generating discussion around the warrants themselves is a good feature


It's still useful as a rhetorical tool against enforcement. If someone gets imprisoned for saying "no comment" and refusing to actively lie, that would hopefully cause an enormous outrage.


You don't "remove" a canary, you just stop updating it. The intent being that they can't force you to keep updating it.


They can't force you. Just like they can't force you to not tweet.

They can sure sue the hell out of you after you stop updating though.


The idea is that forced speech is different than free speech. That means that someone can force you to not say something, but not force you to say something.


so there are two things:

- The government cannot force you to update the canary. A court cannot get you to update it, because it's forced speech to demand an update.

- You created the canary of your own accord, and are responsible for its effects. Not updating the canary is, effectively, speech.

Though, from [0]:

"Realistically, though, courts compel speech all the time. Court-ordered apologies, disclosures, and notices are not unusual. And if ever a court would be inclined to compel speech, it would be in a situation like this one, where a company intentionally set out to get around a gag order with this kind of convoluted sea-lawyering."

[0]:http://law.stackexchange.com/questions/268/is-there-any-lega...


What if they could do it instead of you, even if you use distributed signing how difficult would it be?


What?

http://www.rsync.net/resources/index.html

"Unlimited Support From Real Engineers: [email protected] - +1-619-819-9156"

The address is in TOS http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/tos.html


"524 San Anselmo Ave., Suite 107" Does not sound like a real address as there seem to be 100x more companies registered with the same address.


Decoupling your physical mailing address from your office location makes a lot of sense, since changing the address would be very disruptive. Same reason you'd use Google Voice over giving someone your direct number.

And more and more companies these days don't even have any fixed physical offices, with remote-first cultures. What's the address of Trello? You won't find it on trello.com


It's not like you're going to actually walk there. If it's a legal address registered for the company, that's enough for every interaction you need with them.


They've been around for a long time and have a very good reputation.


It's unfortunate that you're being downvoted just for being cautious/skeptical.

Various aspects of rsync.net are periodically discussed on HN. About 417 days ago I raised a similar issue to yours, namely who is behind this company and what is the address.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10674029

At that time the owner responded on HN with clear information. It's unfortunate that, more than a year later, their website is still a bit of a dog's breakfast on this issue.


Sorry. I'll get this fixed today - we used to have a proper 'about' page before we redesigned the website and somehow it got lost ...

Founder is John Kozubik, who was previously the founder of JohnCompanies - the first VPS provider.[1]

Address is 524 San Anselmo Ave., San Anselmo, CA 94960.

Phone number is +1 619 819 9156.

http://www.rsync.net/resources/index.html

[1] Began offering FreeBSD jails in Aug/Sept 2001. Nobody had coined the term 'VPS' - we called them "server instances".


My recollection is he and his company were very well regarded. FWIW.


The owner is active on HN, it's a legit service.


What makes my suspicious is that I can't find any information on the company itself anywhere on the site. Where are they headquartered? What's their contact information? It's not even clear under what jurisdiction they operate.


Points well taken.

Again, we had all of this in place prior to an ill-advised website redesign.

As I said higher up in this thread, I'll make sure this gets republished and put in place properly today and I will add some verbiage that addresses your specific point about HQ and jurisdiction.

In the meantime, I will confirm we are a US firm with locations (ie., our own racks - not rented hardware) in San Diego, Fremont (San Francisco, basically), Denver, Zurich and Hong Kong.


Hi, I just did a quick tour on your new site and I see that this link is broken (I was curious to see how it's implemented): http://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/veeam.html


Phys-sec means you don't just advertise your location, and keeping control over how people can contact you is another way to prevent social engineering attacks.


XPS15 is not a good choice for developer. I went with a Precision 7510, which is more massive, but better in a lot of aspects.


XPS15 is not a good choice for developer. I went with a Precision 7510, which is more massive, but better in a lot of aspects.


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