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Why has the title of this post been changed, when HN rules are to use the title of the article? The rename is less engaging and misses the point completely. Moderators did this or?

> For someone with circadian depression, their symptoms will change with the seasons, due to the shifting day lengths.

Most if not all Norwegians know this phenomena. Winter depression is considered a normal occurrence, starting right around this time of year.


I've started using SAD-lamps for this exact reason. I've used it every day from october-april for 2 years and it has benefitted me a lot. I don't feel as bad through winter anymore.


Any specific brand SAD lamp you recommend?


I like the Lumie lamps. They look great!

It's quite literally kaamosmasennus as we Finns call it.

Merely losing the sun behind cloud cover for an extended period of time seems to have an effect if not the quite gradual but rapid shortening of available daylight. When the weather reports start including how gray it is today, you know it's the season again.

Increasing your vitamin D3/D6 dosage and being exposed to bright blue light daily helps most people to get through the winter.


I would argue that this is not the same.

The one thing shifts the day length and disrupts the circadian more while the other doesn't give you enough light to produce vitamin b etc.


Happiest two years of my life were in Norway. Summers were way harder imo for circadian rhythm than winters.


Maybe it's different for different people?


Hitting me right now with the time change, and pitch dark at 6pm. It changes so fast every year.


Does something like sun lamps or vitamin D supplements help?


Vitamin D has helped me as well as many of my immigrant friends tremendously when we moved from South Asia to Canada. Been taking 5000 IU for 15 years.


Yes it does.


Interestingly I have the opposite thing (living in Poland) - seasonal summer depression, lasting until the darkness sets in. :)


I will not switch to Dia, however easy they make it. Why?

Bacause I don’t want to be pushed towards a $100 per month plan where the «key feature» is an AI morning brief.

https://www.diabrowser.com/plans


Oh weird. I use Dia now and then and noticed my ability to upgrade vanished, but I still have access to all the AI features and the morning brief things. I just assumed the Atlassian acquisition made it free for everyone. Is that not the case? Do people here actually see a upgrade prompt?

/EDIT: I looked into this by... well, asking Dia:

> That fits what I described. You aren't on a plan because you haven't had to pick one yet. People who were using Dia before paid plans launched on August 17 kept the AI features for free, with nothing to choose and no card on file. Dia says it will email those users at least 30 days before that changes.

>

> So nothing's wrong. It just isn't permanently free either. It's free for now because you joined early. When the notice email comes, you'll have about a month to decide:

So I'm grandfathered "for now", but the Daily brief and AI features are so low value to me, I just assumed they're free for everyone because of how little they do. I never use the built-in AI in Dia and get annoyed when a query that I wanted to go to a search engine gets answered by the assistant instead.


Man that is a crazy price for an unimpressive list of features.

You can get Claude Pro for $20/month and if you hook it into a browser, I'm not sure what you'd be missing out on from those listed perks.

I mean I get the benefit of a prepackaged experience but not at 5x the cost.


Dia has a pretty hefty paid plan last time I checked, and so you will be using a browser constantly pushing you from free towards paid.


I really hate this company and how they operate. Key example, they sold a «lifetime» plan for Day One that was quite expensive. I used it a lot and went for it.

After they saturated the market for lifetime buyers, they started launching new features not included for lifetime buyers. Annoying.

Then they started pushing advertising for upgrading. Very annoying.

Then they started taking away features lifetime plan users had already. Infuriating.

Then they made it so that support was only available for users on a subscription plan. My complaints weren’t even answered. Unforgivable.


Day One was acquired by Automattic in 2021 [1]. The move to a subscription model happened in 2017 [2].

[1]https://dayoneapp.com/blog/the-next-chapter-of-day-one-at-au...

[2] https://medium.com/day-one/day-one-goes-premium-424492fd0a5b


Yes, yet the bulk of my issues outlined in the post were after that.

Either they kept introducing even worse policies, or they allowed them



75k per call. CAC is about to go through the roof


CAC?


Average and median is not the same. Listed speed and actual speed is not the same (as mentioned in the article).

Also, about the size of the countries. The underlying model scales, that’s the point. Unless you were talking about political willingness to back large commitments. That’s a another question.


Actually participating in commerce is considered a pillar in defining a liberal democracy, in the words of John Locke, so I would say that is a right.


It’s certainly an opinion, but not law, and laws can always change.


As a Norwegian this sounds like a mistake. Who will use this LLM? Where? For what? The underlying data could be made more easily searchable and digestible for agents in general if the goal is better knowledge of Norwegian culture.


I agree in principle.

That said, they are quite limited in what they are allowed to share of in-copyright works, and nb.no is a fantastic resource as it is (though you'll need a Norwegian IP address for too much of it - it's one of th main reasons I maintain a VPN) - if they are allowed to make it accessible there, it'd be great.

But they also have vast amounts of out-of-copyright data that I hope they'd make more easily accessible...


Hard disagree. This is the first step not the last and proves to other countries that this can be done.


This model is going to start miles behind the frontier and the gap will only grow.


Why would the gap grow? There is no more training data to acquire, frontier model are training on the entire internet. Everything from now on is just fine-tuning.


Your statement assumes training data is the only thing that matters for the big players, while not considering it limiting for the small Norwegian model. That’s a fallacy.


Nowhere in the article does it say the Norwegian LLM will train _only_ on Norwegian data.


Orders of magnitude less compute for pre- and post-training than the the frontier labs.


Exactly, if there's one thing transformers are good at it's translation. One I've found particularly nice: any question ChatGPT can answer in English it can answer in French. I'm assuming Norwegian too. So there's no point.


There's quite a bit more to culture and language than just being able to have transformers come up with believable language and/or dialect.


The point is that norway willl have its own LLM. And will not have dependencies to another state or private company. The goal is not to be the best model. But to have a model that include more Norwegian data then other LLM and that it's not screwed against other sources.


But what does that give you? If the model is far less capable? What will it do for you with that Norwegian data, that a better model could not do with better search or context?


A model has many dimensions. You can't have them on one scale from good to bad. The model will most likely be poor at coding. But will give better answers about Norwegian cultur. I assume the tone of voice will be (by default) much closer to how Norwegians talk and write then what we current see from model from the US. They seem to be a bit to much.. Norwegian people are a bit more down to earth


Other better models cant use the training data this model have...


Yes transformers are great at translation as that is their purpose.

LLMs are not great at preserving cultural uniqueness and diversity. Take how “delve” has reentered the lexicon because the human assessors for pre training dialect of English uses “delve” a lot.

There is a lot of benefits to training specifically for a unique culture with unique norms to preserve the culture as we increasingly rely on LLMs.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chatgpt-is-changi...


There is a lot more to it than literal translations. Even if an american can talk Norwegian it doesn't mean that they get the cultural context right.

"Oh yeah after you drive 2 hours home from work your wife and kid will greet you with some delicious pie" doesnt work so well even if its in Norwegian.


Model can speak Lithuanian too, but with a Russian accent which is a big taboo for us.


I wonder, can you ask it not to do that first, and check if that still happens?


They're only good at it because they were trained on massive amounts of English and French data.


Not really true.

Both Claude and ChatGPT can translate into minor dialects of Norwegian they will have seen very few works in because very few printed works exist in them.

E.g. I've tested both my local spoken dialect, which is rarely written, and a sociolect used by a 1970's Maoist group consiting of a few hundred people, where most of the printed material consists of novels from a couple of ex-members that became authors.

In the latter case, it claimed to not know, but was able to get a good match from just a description.

I also just had it ape Norwegian orthography from the 1910's by having it look up the rules and translate a text it had first translated from English to modern Norwegian, and it did just fine.

They will have seem some work in these dialects, but mostly it transfer really well to know related languages (English, Dutch, German, Swedish, Danish, roughly form a continuum from least in common to most in common with modern Norwegian; they all share vocabulary and significant parts of grammar with Norwegian), and then a relatively limited exposure to Norwegian itself is sufficient to do fairly well.

They're also really good at "style transfer" of text in the form of tweaking orthography, word order, and minor grammar changes from descriptions and examples.

(incidentally, the latter is one way of getting an LLM to sound a lot less like an LLM)


This is all true, but I assumed the original posters were talking about cultural knowledge, not linguistic correspondences.

To do translation well you still need cultural knowledge. (E.g. the particular modes of specific kinds of legalese, or slang and the nuances of social class, etc)


I think it's not that this knowledge isn't present in the model somewhere, but probably more that it gets killed by instruction tuning for US corporate values.


Definitively not the case in distilled models.


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