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> But still it'd still start us (employee and employer) on the wrong foot.

Absolutely false. I hear VPs all the time speak about trying to "close a candidate" during negotiations, like a car sale. If you are a tough negotiator you will only earn their respect.


and we're going to change the world


and will make it a better place


Here's a way to counter this: interview, make them want you, and then decline any offer explicitly because of the comp.

Startup founders are trying to go (even more) lean and cheap out on salaries, relying either on inexperienced new grads, the insecure, or on a "rah rah go team, the company is priority #1" culture of self-sacrifice. Don't play into it.


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