> or do these KF people do doxing on sorts on other sites and use KF as a central place to coordinate attacks?

Yep. KF is their harassment HQ where they share information about individuals they don't approve of. It's creepy.

...That's always going to exist. It's gone by different names. It's why you aren't supposed to share personal info on the Web, btw, because anyone can get to it, now without even leaving the comfort of home.

The bus has sailed on that one though.

you know when the whole foursquare started gamification of locations, i did go into it pretty early on but some "time" later i was like "why am i doing this? for achievements?"

same for the whole gamification of your facebook profile which nudges you to give more and more info about yourself... the "connect your accounts" is terrible way of keeping watertight identities.

look. do you remember when "chatroom etiquette" meant not correctly answering a/s/l? because that would be creepy if the stranger found out and nasty things could happen?

i mean its easy to "connect" and tie everything to one identity but then that same identity means you cannot hide. its a tradeoff and one i personally am willing to give.

> between two internet mobs headed by two unsavoury individuals

This is a bit too much "both sides are bad" for me. Fact is that Kiwi Farms is a horrible website where people harass others, share information about them, and drive them to suicide. That's pretty bad on its own.

Look at it from Cloudflare employees' point of view though. Do they really want to spend their time getting drawn in to any more of this trivial online drama? No, of course not. Pulling the plug is the sensible business decision.

This is definitely online drama, but I'm not sure I'd call it "trivial." This isn't people arguing about how many days are in a week.

It's trivial in the same way that celebrity gossip is trivial.

Whether foo and bar will get married is, in my opinion, considerably different from organizations that collect and magnify hatred against members of various disempowered groups.

Out of these two antagonistic online mobs, which is the disempowered one?

Are transwomen creators really disempowered online these days? The internet's a very different place from how it was in 2007.

Contrapoints, Gigi, Maya Henry were the first three that came to mind and from what I've seen all have wildly successful online followings, and a literal army of Twitter and Discord users to come to their defense. KF is the only site I'm aware of that bullies trans people, but I can think of loads of popular accounts and forums that happily go after Republicans, depressed single men, Christians, and any other group which the online majority has decided is deserving of abuse. I think the take "trans people have a hard time being accepted online" is pretty outdated now.

Care to list the disempowered groups?

Transwomen are the big relevant one here, but Kiwi Farms happily hates on black people too.

Seems to me Transwomen didn't get deplatformed. Quite the opposite.

Seems to me that Transwomen just took the only scrutiny contrary to their own agenda temporarily off the net, putting one of the most technically competent hosting providers on the list of people who won't associate with them (people acting in opposition to Transwomen).

No comment on the hating on black people, as I learned long ago, platforms are not users of platforms, and horrible people can be found everywhere.

Despite all of this horribleness that apparently goes on with KiwiFarms, it still seems Transwomen is able to go on doing whatever it is it does.

Strictly speaking, your yardstick for empowerment measurement has a rather funny operating principle, as intuitively speaking, I'd expect the opposite result.

Horrible people appear to be found at significantly above background density among posters on Kiwi Farms.

My comment about transwomen being disempowered is in the broader social sphere, where trans people in general are under social and legislative threat against their access to basic decency, public visibility, and medical care.

> Most densely populated country in Europe has solar parks for fuck sake.

I don't know how much is from solar parks? About 20% of all houses in the Netherlands have solar panels according to some sources so that adds up.

Remember (P)NaCl? Or WebSQL? Google has a bad reputation for pushing poorly designed web "standards".

Thanks to Mozilla we then got asm.js, wich evolved into Wasm and ultimately replaced NaCl.

Now imagine there was one engine and Google could implement whatever they wanted? RIP privacy and well-designed standards.

Don't forget Dart. They tried to push that as a replacement to JavaScript for a while. Just like what Microsoft tried with VBScript years ago.

Then Flutter came out of nowhere and reintroduced everyone to Dart again.

Why can't similar debates happen around a single engine?

Mozilla is largely Google funded anyhow. If they wanted to drop funding and go their own way they could do so anytime.

Google has far too much power over the direction of Blink for any meaningful debate to take place. They have a tendency to steamroll through already and this behavior would no doubt intensify if Blink were the only game in town.

It would have a far better chance of working if the Chrome/Blink team were spun out of Google into a nonprofit that is protected from the financial influence of Google.

It's true though. You see something similar with the address bar: Chrome's is pretty horrible for accessing history or bookmarks, it instead tries to push you to do a search. Firefox has much richer information here.

From Wikipedia:

> Today, FreeBSD is used by many IT companies such as IBM, Nokia, Juniper Networks, and NetApp to build their products.[16][17] Certain parts of Apple's Mac OS X operating system are based on FreeBSD.[18] Both the PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Switch operating system also borrow certain components from FreeBSD,[7][8] while the PlayStation 4 operating system is derived from FreeBSD 9.[19] Netflix,[20] WhatsApp,[21] and FlightAware[22] are also examples of large, successful and heavily network-oriented companies which are running FreeBSD.

As that quote clearly puts out, it is mostly cherry picked components, and not a proper FreeBSD distribution.

Juniper gear runs JunOS that's almost pure FreeBSD, with added device drivers for their hardware and a CLI layer on top.

The next version of JunOS, JunOS evolved, is moving to Linux though.

Like every Android or embedded linux?

Linux is only a kernel, unlike FreeBSD which is a whole OS.

I was talking about Gnu/Linux and you know it.

And hint, that's why the playstation etc has "just" parts of FreeBSD....they don't need tar and llvm in it.

Your comment makes no sense in that regard.

This is why I love (WebAuthn) security keys: it's completely separate from your phone (and easy to register a second/third key as backup for in a safe location) so you eliminate this whole class of issues.

So the students learn to use these "free" services and then later pay with their data for their personal accounts? Even worse if you ask me.

Even if that's true, do we really want our children to grow up with (and get used to) these services that are usually "free" for personal use but paid for by tracking people across the internet, separate division or not?

The assumption that the "European" solutions would be the true Paladin of the justice is historically/morally wrong. It cannot be serious and as we can see in this blog post, is just fed by companies fighting for the same market.

What percentage of adults do you think are paying for email services in Europe? I'd be shocked if it ended up even being 10%!

Please no, if you need to add so much complexity just to work around problems with glass stairs, it's better to just go with boring normal stairs.

In a way, GP's post perfectly captures what's going wrong in much of modern software "engineering". Piling on and on more complexity to work around follow-up issues, instead of having the courage to go back and reverse a bad decision.

What I am illustrating is that MILLIONS and MILLIONS$$ of dollars go into the design of these "environments" -- every major Architect on the planet will continue to do such, while claiming to be LEED/GREEN/etc...

Gensler is famous for such.

My job was to ensure proper installation and implementation of said designs in conjunction with all trades (Not the stairs per se...)

But - these types of designs are not going away.

(Glass' primary material is effectively "free" from the earth (not in energy or manpower etc))

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So we can call out all we want, but this stuff is here to stay.

To be clear, see my other reply below -- I agree with you, its just that I know a LOT of architects. (worked with the infomous Frank Gheary on MPKW, designers of billionaires homes and yachts)

The design ideas are going full video game. Forever.

Have you played any level on Hitman 3? The level design on this video game surpasses a lot (or more) of architectual designs I have worked on building IRL...

So, the idea is that "smarter materials" "LEED/SMART buildings" "tech permeating every aspect of a building" -- so that basically any future building ~20 years from now is going to be a toxic supersite once it peaks its lilfetime.)

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What I personally just dont have experience with in this space ; Building Lifecycle Management ;; We put in all this tech, that relies on plastics, heavy-metals and carcinogens embedded in the building, in a less-harvastable way, when EoL -- and we have a shit ton of recycling problems to solve... else, just throw it all in the ocean like we have been doing for eons.