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most likely what will happen is people will just leave CA, leaving a shortage and it will fail


> most likely what will happen is people will just leave CA

Could you please inform our population here about that?

Republicans keep promising that people will flee the Blue states due to various policies; somehow it never seems to happen.

Could you let us know what we're doing wrong? We'd really like to send some of these folks to Red states to help balance out the voting.

Thanks bunches.


http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article136478098...

"Every year from 2000 through 2015, more people left California than moved in from other states. This migration was not spread evenly across all income groups, a Sacramento Bee review of U.S. Census Bureau data found. The people leaving tend to be relatively poor, and many lack college degrees. Move higher up the income spectrum, and slightly more people are coming than going.

About 2.5 million people living close to the official poverty line left California for other states from 2005 through 2015, while 1.7 million people at that income level moved in from other states – for a net loss of 800,000. During the same period, the state experienced a net gain of about 20,000 residents earning at least five times the poverty rate – or $100,000 for a family of three."

Life in California is becoming a luxury good, largely due to its own policies, and that is not a state in the right direction.


Do people migrate out of EU states with universal health care? They have free movement and everything.

I think this would actually be another great lock-in feature, on top of rent control and Prop 13 making it so nobody would ever want to sell their house.


> I'm sure as shit happy to pay more in taxes for a universal single single-payer. I

Great, you can opt in to that, but don't force everyone else who doesn't agree with you to subsidize everyone else's poor decisions


Breaking an ankle is not a "decision". Tuberculosis is not a "decision". Cancer is not a "decision". Alzheimer's is not a "decision". "Getting old" is not a "decision".


You're thinking about this backwards. Health is a personal responsibility. The things you cite are not decisions, naturally, but many things that make people sick are choices (smoking, poor diet, not exercising, etc) and the choice to not pursue employment that provides adequate health insurance is.


That's the deal with citizenship - we allow you to live with us as long as you pay for other people. In particular, paying for people that don't make good decisions for themselves. Which is fine, since everyone is poorer than someone else.

No one is interested in allowing you to live in a country without paying for it. You live under the permission of others.

Them's the rules - take it or leave it.


L'Etat c'est la grande fiction à travers laquelle tout le monde s'efforce de vivre aux dépens de tout le monde. The State is the great fiction through which everyone endeavours to live at the expense of everyone else. The State in Journal des débats (1848) par. 5.20. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bastiat#Quo...


you allow me to? so what if I stop working and pay no taxes? do I have to leave? you sound very self righteous. I assume you're a typical liberal. do you realize you're making an argument against illegal immigration?


As a typical self-righteous liberal, I'll just say that: illegal immigrants pay taxes.


You already subsidise healthcare.

The US government spends more per capita on health than the UK government does.


Ok, well, as a cyclist who doesn't own a car, and as a vegetarian who doesn't eat meat, and as a childless infertile dude, I'm sure tired of subsidizing you cow-eating motorist parents.

Oh, wait, that's what society is--we all pay for communal stuff because we're all ultimately in this together.


It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political arguments. That's not what this site is intended for, so please don't do that.


> Oh, wait, that's what society is-

No, that's what socialism and communism are.


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Yeah, I'm sure all the people who chose to get cancer or be born prematurely are just leeching off the rest of us. Even if you rarely ever use the system, you're still better off having a country where people don't have to worry about going bankrupt of something terrible happens to them and they need healthcare. Also, it actually makes things easier for businesses to not have to deal with figuring out how to pay for insurance for everyone every year.

A single tax that you can plan for without worry and just get on with running your company? Sounds good to me.


> Yeah, I'm sure all the people who chose to get cancer or be born prematurely are just leeching

Please don't vent snark like this on HN, even when someone else is wrong and/or started it. Your comment would be just fine without that.


seems like a "simpler" and more egalitarian solution would be to just encourage more females to be interested in science and technology from an early age in the first place. quota hiring is never a fair system to anyone.


as americans shouldn't we all want the same things regardless of race, ethnicity or any other form of "identity"? so in theory these things should not matter, should they?


That's one of those ideas that sounds really good, in theory, until you look at reality where people in California unironically want to secede from the US (or Texas in '08).


> until you look at reality where people in California unironically want to secede from the US

No they don't. They were responding angrily to the election via a poll.


The parties are interested in dividing us up into voting blocks so they can selectively cater to, ignore, and pit them against each other at their own discretion.


Anytime you use "should" in a political discussion, you're on shaky ground.


> I definitely would read more books and try new tech if I worked 15 hours a week

because EVERYONE is as productive as you are? give me a break.


wealth and value is created, not distributed. I'm sick and tired of hearing from communists about taking money away from hard working people and giving to those less deserving.


wealth is earned, not distributed.


Or inherited if your classy


this is the main problem. if the tax rate gets too high, high earners will find creative ways to avoid taxes and/or be less motivated to work hard. either way it's a downward spiral.


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