Not a conspiracy theory, IDF official policy is to not use interceptors when the missile is confirmed by calculations to hit unpopulated areas.
(This calculation does not work for every type of missile or on every occasion)
Well yeah, but they still had a chance to play the victim after the US/Israel strikes (especially if some of the reports about how the negotiations went down are true). Lots of people are still primed to listen to it. But they're not interested in making it easy for their apologists, I guess.
Israel is 80 years old, I was born here and I’m 25 years old. The funny thing is my parents immigrated from Russia so you probably won’t want me there either (me too). Your argument is bad.
You don't need one, it is very easy to emigrate to many western countries as an Israeli passport holder. There's also a chance you qualify for one of the EU citizenship schemes for jewish descendants. You don't have to choose to live in an apartheid state.
At least if you only held a Russian passport you could plausibly claim that it's somewhat difficult to move anywhere nice.
> I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do
I guess that makes it better. Truly, a shining example of Israeli moral superiority.
I can easily find ownership records going back more than 500 years for the land I live on. Odds are it'd be trivial to go even further.
What about the land you live on? Who owned it 100 years ago and how'd it end up in your possession? How do you think those records would tend to look in Israel? What kind of stories do you think they would tell? Would it be a good look for Israeli people?
My grand grandparent had a factory and a mansion in Poland , which was stolen by the nazis. My family moved with 0 assets to Israel to rebuild themselves. Will you please pay me the sum lost with dividends so I can return to Poland?
The entire continent of North America changed hands in the last 250 years many European lands changed hands in the last 150 years, some Israeli lands changed hands in the last 80 years, why should only we open our records?
The Romani people. Perhaps even Jews, depending on attitudes towards Israel.
Probably other groups who are even less visible, so we don't know about the challenges they face. The 19th century push for nation states has marginalized and tried to erase many groups.
wake me up when Spain has let their minorities a path for self determination and when you do something about the savages that loot and destroy everything in your previous held colonies like Wagner and the Russian African Corpus
Do you disagree that there's a good chance that by choosing to live and pay taxes in Israel you're going to have a net negative effect on the future of the Palestinians over your lifetime?
You hold me to inhuman standards you do not uphold in your personal life.
The current government is bad for me and bad for the Palestinians I strive for a better one, and I’m here to stay
Thanks god, what a contribution to the world! Hope you having a nice time in this historic tiny minuscule moment of peace your continent is having, while you sit on an economy based on generations that robbed entire continents naked and then benefited from child labor of those continents!
But in this tiny point of peace you don’t dedicate any portion of your life to help 3rd world countries or any global causes like the environment
But tell me to move one of your countries that have right wing parties rising in the polls because some tiny percent of your population became Muslim.
You will watch with me your politicians throw away this high morality you hold the second a Russian missile hit the ground in Western Europe and you with them
> You will watch with me your politicians throw away this high morality you hold the second a Russian missile hit the ground in Western Europe and you with them
What are you implying? It's totally fine to defend yourself against aggressors.
The problem is that in the Israel-Palestine conflict, Israel has always been the aggressor.
Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion?
I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here
I can't commment on your values because I don't know you but I can confidently say that zionist values are nazi values. Just listen to your own government leaders like Ben gvir or likund writings. literally word for word sounds like something Hitler and leaders of the nazi party would have said with [search replace arayan -> jew.]
here's some quotes. please tell me, hitler or gvir
"We have to speak honestly. That there are many, many ___ – I didn't say all the ___, but a lot of __ who are not loyal to the ____. Undoubtedly, their vote is endangering ____, … Any normal country would not let them vote. Unfortunately, we are allowing hundreds of thousands of people who are disloyal to ____ to vote in the elections... "
"I am unequivocally against executing the ____ murderer of ____ and in favor of killing the ____ murderers of _____"
"There are many ____ who are disloyal and those who are not loyal should not be here.""
I rather dislike her, but on it's worst day a Marine Le Pen-led government in France wouldn't even come close to doing anything nearly as bad as Israel does every day.
That’s not because French society is different than Israeli society, it’s because French society cards are much better. It has far more stable economy and political system because of hundreds of years of colonialism and wars in Europe which render France the Resourceful state which it is today, if Marine La Pen could rise to almost win the election because of migration imagine what could happen if France was surrounded with states that host militants that want to anhilate it and stand attacks like the 7th of October (1,200 killed and raped in one day + parts of the country occupied for couple of days).
Instead you chose to sit in your high horse attributed to you by previous generations that looted and killed anything in sight and after that somehow built a liberal society you have contributed nothing to, and you then ask me to leave my country instead of recognizing liberal people exist in both sides of the Israeli Palestinian conflict and they’re your allies
>Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion?
I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position.
> fight for the values of this country from here
Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently.
I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace.
I’m not a politician nor all the information is available to me on what can be done and what not
My moral compass says the following -
1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements
2. Creating a situation were any Palestinian can live respectfully, feed their family and get education
From there state decision should be far more easier.
> 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements
perfectly reasonable ask. 3 years ago, I would have been perfectly fine if they demonstrated interest in that. Instead we have people like Ben gvir openly spout ethnosupremacist vitriol that would make hitler blush. Now my instagram is full of that man touring prisons where he brags about executing people who clearly show signs of torture. (and this is what they are COMFORTABLE SHOWING) between that and his approval ratings (60% of israelis want to relocate Palestinians somewhere else Its clear that the whole society is rotten from the top down.
Why? First of all, we tried to give citizenship to Palestinians in East Jerusalem, they refuse.
Second, are you suggesting to annex Gaza and th West Bank, and giving them citizenship? That means the come election, Hamas would be the biggest party in the Knesset, revoke all democratic rights, and create a sharia state. That will be the end of the only democracy in the Middle East.
What do you mean by effectively under Israeli governance? In Jerusalem they refuse citizenship. In the West Bank they are Palestinian citizens, in Gaza they are Gazan citizens, not my fault that both sides chose a dictatorship 20 years ago.
Is this what every American tell themselves when they wake up in the morning? Or that what every Arab says to himself outside of Yemen, Saudi and Oman?
Yes every morning I wake up and think, why are my tax dollars going towards a parasitic entity who has taken complete control over our government to fight it's wars for them when we can barely afford basic necessities at home.
> I mean, by the letter of things I am assuming that Jason is supporting the genocide of Palestinians.
> Nobody living would care anymore, I guess.
You might want to brush up on HN's guidelines if you think that these comments are acceptable here:
Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.
Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.
I'm not sure, maybe you can find a way to express it without breaking HN guidelines.
Your accusation was way off-base and deliberately offensive. You are capable of making the same point without stooping down the hierarchy of disagreement, so do it.
I don’t dispute that fact, but the Jews that have immigrated from there have grew up in the Soviet Union and in the Soviet education system, and therefore speak Russian
Additional context: the comment above me stated 2m people have emigrated from Russia to Israel it’s more correct to say that they have emigrated from the Soviet Union
We assumed that they charge some kind of penalty fee if you do not show up via your phone number, and this (most likely 3rd party) system only works with UK numbers.
There's no such service, and it's very unlikely that there ever would be given the attitude of the UK telecoms regulator.
There are things like premium rate phone lines (which you can dial for entering competitions) and special SMS short codes that allow you to send small amounts which get charged to your phone bill (typically used for charity campaigns - eg. "Text 'GIVE £5' to 71234").
But both of those systems require you to take specific action - there's nothing that would allow someone else to apply a charge to your bill on your behalf without your direct involvement. OfCom would have kittens if anyone were ever to suggest setting up something like that.
It's likely that the restaurants in this case were simply confused by a number starting with a + rather than a digit.
No. But you have to understand that American political rhetoric only allows for things to be made either in the US or China (and occasionally Mexico). In that framework, yes the US is the most expensive place to make things.
> Other than NYC and Utah-area national parks, I can't think of unique reasons for Canadians to vacation in the US specifically.
While NYC and Utah Area national parks are iconic, the US has immense geographic and cultural diversity beyond them. Destinations like New Orleans, the California coast, or the unique high-desert landscapes of New Mexico offer experiences that are distinct from anything available in Canada.
Trump aside, the US hasn't been good stewards of their tourism in major cities. Las Vegas is bent on pricing itself out of reach and New Orleans apparently hasn't been the same since Katrina.
I take your point, but I believe the U.S. brand has historically shown a strong ability to weather the types of challenges you mentioned. I’m actually quite optimistic that it can bounce back at least partially to its former standing relatively quickly once the current unrest subsides. Additionally, speaking as someone from outside North America, I find the unique appeal of New England to be a major draw also
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