Why? So they can charge you more? You know medical school in the US is pass/fail and has a 96% graduation rate? Its completion at that point is practically meaningless.

And all so I have to pay $50 to get a vaccine administered because nobody is allowed to prescribe one without a $250k medical degree.

If they didn't have a 96% graduation rate I think we would be screwed because we already do not have enough doctors as it is. And with med schools it's not like you can increase the number of students easily as each student requires a lot of resources due to requiring residency and things like that.

After someone passes that selection criteria (which again, seems to have little to do with being a competent physician), it doesn't seem like enough of them are being filtered out for being bad at actual medicine.

I went to a good school in mathematics and we only had a 70% graduation rate. The people who dropped out or switched majors had passed the rigorous selection criteria just like the rest of us. I'm suspicious the equivalent cohort in medical school just get pushed through and graduate all the same and become bad doctors.

> And with med schools it's not like you can increase the number of students easily as each student requires a lot of resources due to requiring residency and things like that.

Most who can't hack it fail in first year. I don't think watching lectures and writing exams in first and second years is all that resource-intensive. And even if it were, they'd be paying tuition to cover it all the same.

No, they are offering their content in the expectation that they will be rewarded for producing it, via ads. It isn't free.

Are you saying it's moral for you to read their content but circumvent their business model?

"If no one saw ads content would die, you want content to live, you should act in the way you want everyone to act, therefore watch ads."

It's usually straightforward and reliable moral reasoning.

But the implications of that approach have weird results here.

If we were really serious about improving how lucrative ads were, we wouldn't just have to watch them, we'd actually have to spend money on their products.

As far as the books are concerned, a lost purchase from a blocked ad counts the same as a lost purchase from a disinterested customer.

But it feels really weird to say people are morally obligated to buy something when they watch free content.

Maybe something's fishy with the categorical imperative here because marketers are specifically playing the odds. They're hoping to motivate behavior in just 1/10,000 viewers. Advertisers know it's a long shot and that people might defeat their efforts, using technology, heading to the kitchen during TV commercials, or just training themselves to recognize manipulation and sales pitches to harden themselves against sales. They'd be silly to take umbrage anytime fewer than 100% of eyeballs bought their product.

Or maybe the moral problem goes beyond ad blockers, and we're all destroying the web by being terrible consumers.

I don't actually know, but it's a weird moral problem, something feels not quite settled about the two typical responses on this topic...

I totally agree with you, this is an awkward topic because advertising itself raises moral questions.

The problem is exactly what you said, we're all destroying the web by being terrible consumers. We're used to an internet where we do not generally have to pay for content, and that has led to a culture where paying for online content is almost unthinkable. This is a problem of our own making, but here we are.

People pretty much universally hate ads, but almost no one hates them enough to actually hand over money instead. We know this because of the failure of things like flattr and the experiences of developers on app stores - if you offer a free ad-supported version of an app, and a paid version which removes the ads, only a tiny, tiny percentage of users are going to choose the paid version. And this is in an ecosystem where products usually cost less than a cup of tea and you can pay with almost no effort - it's literally easier than finding the equivalent cash amount in your pocket. People just don't do it.

I don't have an answer to this. What I do know is that quality content costs money to produce and therefore we need a way for content producers to be rewarded for their work. Right now just about the only way that works on a large scale is with ads, and even that works poorly for most cases.

Some people reading this will say to themselves "well, I'd pay for content". Congratulations on being an outlier, most people are not like you.

Some people reading this will say to themselves "well, the free market will solve this problem", and that might be the case in the long term, but it will have terrible consequences for content producers in the short term and will fundamentally change the web. You might hate ads, but do we really want the series of walled gardens that an ad-less internet would necessarily devolve into?

If everyone blocked ads, things like Google would have to become paid services. What kind of social inequality would that lead to in the long term?

Obviously this is related to game theory. Blocking ads makes sense on an individual level, but if everyone does it we're all screwed. It's not a solution to the problem, it's going to cause more problems, and that's why I don't do it.

This is the best argument I've heard so far for not blocking ads. Thank you for putting it so succinctly.

An expectation on the publisher's part does not create an obligation on my part.

Come on. No they don't, vlucas. They say "welcome, enjoy, support our sponsors." They do not say "it's free; do whatever you want with our content now that the packets have been transferred."

This is totally nonsensical. If they have no prospect of recouping the expense they incurred from your visit then you are not helping them, you are worse than worthless to them, you simply cost them money.

> Are you saying it is moral for publishers to track my usage behavior, and to force me to watch any ad they want me to?

You aren't being forced to watch anything. You have the option of leaving their site and living without their content.

Your attitude is the definition of entitlement.

> Your attitude is the definition of entitlement.

I also have the option of completely ignoring the ads or covering them up, which is essentially the same thing as blocking with a plugin. This is not a binary equation. This is the essence of my very first comment here.

There is nothing morally wrong about not paying attention to an ad, zooming in so you don't see it, covering it up, not watching a video, muting commercials, etc. No publisher or advertiser has the expectation that 100% of people will pay attention to their ad. The ratios are closer to 1%. Nobody has that expectation expect the people trying to make this into a moral argument.

It's quite simple. If there is no way to get paid for producing quality content, no one is going to produce quality content. I don't like the ad-riddled web any more than you, but it allows billions of people access to content they would not otherwise have access to. If the online ad business goes away, what fills that gap?

Please don't suggest micropayments, people don't want to pay anything to read a website.

If no businesses can profit/sustain off ads and this is the only avenue to obtain any content - people will pay. Or they'll go without content. When there is no content - there will be a demand for content. And people will pay.

If there are sites that can sustain off ads and still produce content that people view - and you can't do that - you're fucked. Too bad. That's business and unfortunately your competitor is beating you at it. There is nothing wrong with that.

I don't think this statement (or the contrary) was ever proven true. I'm absolutely sure the problem is awfully complicated and we can't simplify it as "no money - no quality content", especially as some sort of universal dogma.

That said, if anyone knows of any research/experiment in this area, they're most welcome to share a link.

Also, if we can say the comparison with software is valid, there is a lot of software (of various quality from a total trash to exceptionally good stuff) that comes gratis and doesn't try to sell you anything.

Please don't do this, you will starve. Very few people are able to make enough money from open source in this way and I don't think this is the kind of thing that's suited to it.

Commercialize this technology, market it, sell it.

The main considerations revolve around:

a. Is it patentable? (OP should contact a former USPTO examiner or a reputable legal shop like Orrick.) Provisional patent a minimum, seems a must, or it's not worth going forward if Mr. Wonderful can knock it off in China.

b. Is it worth the effort to source and offer components which are commodities? Some folks want "batteries included" and will pay for it, so mark those up to where it makes sense to make it worth the while.

Disclaimer: I've worked inside ivy school research and non-research depts and enterprise shops too.

But it isn't a way to specify graph queries, e.g. you can't express concepts like "find the shortest path from vertex A to vertex B using edges with the given label". It's just not designed for that kind of thing.

Coincidentally available for contract work right now...