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It looks like videos will be published "shortly", I wasn't there but I'd imagine there was some cross over with this post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/a/redis-db/PxFeA0fH...

The guy is pretty passive aggressive in that thread which makes it hard to take his points seriously.


I actually agree with some of his points on this thread. Getting contributions accepted to redis is notoriously hard, and a few features I've suggested over the years had been rejected.

However, I have the utmost respect to antirez for doing the work that he does, and I think he is an excellent maintainer; his job is not to keep contributors happy but to make redis as good as it can be according to his vision. And while I disagree with some of his decisions, he's doing a great work at that, and I see him becoming more attentive to the community lately.


One thing I took from mythical man month was that having an architect with a clear vision is necessary for success. The architect isn't perfect. He will make mistakes and he will reject good ideas from time to time. But design by committee has the risk of doing development without a clear vision.


And herein lies a key part of the Node/io.js issue.


heh, he actually mentioned me in his post on the thread... I didn't notice it, I'm kinda out of the loop of the community lately.


Well that sounds like a very dubious move from Matt Stancliff, I wonder what the rationale was.

Edit - particularly galling given this graph https://github.com/antirez/redis/graphs/contributors


5% of the number of commits, came on the project last year vs been there from the start 5 years ago, pulling stunts like this at the conference... yeah, he'd be a great replacement


There are always douche-bags in every community. Ignore them.


Eh, those graphs can be deceiving but still, strange move on his part.


Also sounds very unprofessional, wonder why the organizers let a talk like that go through.


giving him the benefit of doubt: maybe he was just unable to articulate properly that he noticed some problems in the redis community and thought it would be better if $WHATEVER happened.


This is the same kind of deluded apologism that the gamer gate crowd uses and it is dangerous. How can anyone judge the credibility of a threat made by a stranger on the internet? A threat is a threat.


>A threat is a threat.

I disagree completely, especially in the eyes of the law. If a comedian says he's going to kill someone, nobody is going to prosecute him. Threats have to be creditable. The tweets posted by Kurt all make some reference to his baseball career and then try to use that to make sexual jokes about his daughter. They are just terrible jokes and should be socially ostracized, but we should not be using the legal system to punish these kinds of tweets. The line is too unclear. None of the posted tweets contain any serious threat that doesn't contain some baseball innuendo, at least the ones Kurt published. There is a difference if someone said e.g. "I'm going to rape your daughter when she gets here" and that tweeter lives in the town of the school. One might be able to consider that creditable. We don't prosecute people who make others scared, we prosecute people that we believe have a creditable chance of harming another human being.


The question is, do these type of comments on Twitter cause harm? If you've read anything by people being subjected to online bullying and harassment then you know that it does cause psychological harm by itself. Especially when a number of people all start in on one person, but even one person can cause a lot of fear and harm from cyber stalking someone. Does someone doing this deserve to have their life ruined, probably not, but they should not be free from all repercussions.


I haven't read through the tweets but what crazypyro posted aren't threats, they would be considered bullying though.

Didn't the gamergate lady have actual threats on her life? I know her information was doxxed and people actually put her house in their threats.


I'm afraid yes, even if I'm one of those who suspect that there's foul play on both sides.


Can we stop dragging gamergate into this?

(Or might I suggest you read up on KotakuInAction on reddit and tell me how it is anywhere borderline close to this?)


KotakuInAction is one of the major GamerGate organizing sites – that's like telling someone to go to the Scientologist Temple for opinions on Dianetics.

… and, yes, it's rather relevant: GamerGate started with a bunch of people on 4chan attacking a stranger on social media at the behest of her ex-boyfriend but it escalated quickly to coordinated harassment on a bunch of different forms of electronic media and attempts to bring it close to home with real-world stalking at work & conferences, SWATing, etc.

That's the problem here: the people who started it might have had no intention of anything beyond enjoying making someone else unhappy but they repeated things widely and loudly enough that other people fell for the cover story and escalated it further.


Quite the opposite, Zoe Quinn herself has been discovered to have played a role in SWATing her critics [1]. Incidentally, KotakuInAction has been featured elsewhere today [2]. I agree with your last sentence.

[1] http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2015/01/gamergate-swatting...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditoftheday/comments/2yb80x/m...


“Quite the opposite” ignores that people involved with GamerGate have actually SWATed people (see e.g. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/13/gamergate-...) and has engaged in all of the other activities I listed. Even if true, a single incident doesn't magically cancel out half a year of real harassment no matter how many times GamerGaters have tried use that logic to avoid addressing bad behaviour by their fellows.

That said, you're linking to a post written by Mike Cernovitch, one of the more vociferous people in GamerGate, where he's making the popular argument that he's the real victim here.

Again, let's review the evidence: if you read more than the headline it's immediately obvious that there was no actual SWATing or even threat to do so and, more importantly, none of it was done by Zoe Quinn. The person who actually posted his address used the information which he'd listed on a business directory before removing it and apologizing:

https://medium.com/@ManfredVonKarma/mike-cernovich-based-law...

The key thing, of course, is that he wouldn't have been able to use a stranger’s actions to justify the anti-Zoe hate campaign. If you read it closely, notice how each claim in the article starts with something true but then adds unsupported insinuations that Zoe was masterminding it in an effort to shift the ire to her rather than the person who actually wrote the post.


I agree that there was no actual SWATing in Cernovich's case. He has been reported to the LAPD (probably several times) for harassment. However he has been doxxed, and I don't know how you're saying none of it was done by Quinn. Quinn has 52K followers on twitter. I think I can conclude that her tweets are widely read. And she has repeatedly publicized dox articles. Does that make her any less guilty than actually writing those articles herself? And Quinn herself admits that doxxing and SWATing are a package deal. SWATings are usually initiated as an anonymous tip, "stranger's actions", as you put it in a different context. I don't know how the law works in the US, but if it were up to me, I'd hold the doxxer responsible for it.

The Guardian article is probably right in naming baphomet (on 8chan), but then follows it up with some very shady language to link it with KiA. I have visited baphomet a few times, and they seem to be doing their own thing, whatever that may be.

As far as I know, Reddit has very strict policies in place to discourage doxxing (except on r/doxme). KotakuInAction, the one you called gamergate's organizing site, cannot be involved in doxxing. Though I'm not a regular reader, I visit it every few weeks to see what they're up to. Not only have I not seen any doxxing there, I have seen threads discouraging such behavior. Also see their Rule #2: "This is the quickest way to a ban, not just from us, but the Reddit admins. Seriously, don’t do it. Take every effort to ensure that your posts do not include any personal information, especially in screenshots."


Oh, go away! These links are hardly credible.


It very much seems like KiA is subbreddit of the day.

If you have reason to believe otherwise, please bring the links. ;-)

(Now, if you don't mind, take a minute to consider what you have just said in your last comments.)


Reddit is not a reliable source of information. Full stop.


It as the only reliable source on what is subreddit-of-the-day though.

And you still haven't provided evidence of anything else.

As the sign next to the radios used to say: think-push-speak.


What's your point? It's not a reliable source that Zoe Quinn called in a Swot team against someone falsely!


No, I didn't mention that link, which btw isn't from reddit but from someones blog. (I haven't made up my mind on that one but it seems he makes a leap yes.)

I'm trying to point out that you are acting as if you have already made up you mind: whatever the facts, gg-ers are wrong.

In this case it seems you are, among other things, denying that KiA is Subreddit-of-the-day. Which is very easy to prove.

I suggest you read through this very carefully and find out exactly what you commented on instead of jumping to conclusions[1]. Because, you know, -this isn't reddit.

[1]: Protip: This often a good idea elsewhere as well.


I misread the original post. I apologise, you are correct about the second link. I stand by my comments on the first link, but I've been very silly in commenting about the second one. Sorry about that.

Please though, stop making personal attacks.


No problem : )

> Please though, stop making personal attacks.

Sorry. My apologies for that. Will stop.


As opposed to the credible links you have provided?


I need to provide credible links to prove that someone didn't do something?


How about shedding light on the matter with actual information rather than trying to score with empty rhetoric? I'm sorry if I'm asking for too much.


Yep. If KiA isn't Subreddit of the day that should be easy to prove.


What? He's providing the link to reddit to prove that Zoe Quinn called in a Swot team. The source is reliable for matters on Reddit, but that's not what we are discussing.


NO!

Now you start reading before making assumptions!

SERIOUSLY: The reddit link is about KiA being subreddit-of-the-day.

The other link is about the Swot[sic] team, and it is NOT on reddit.

Now you wait until you are sober and/or ready to read before you comment : )


You are correct, I misread the original post. I apologise for that - the error is mine.


> KotakuInAction is one of the major GamerGate organizing sites – that's like telling someone to go to the Scientologist Temple for opinions on Dianetics.

The ideaisn't too bad in this particular case when the question is "what do gamergaters write?" : )

> repeated things widely and loudly enough that other people fell for the cover story and escalated it further.

this reminds me of someone else.


I do occasionally glance at KIA, and frankly it is terrifying. There are a lot of angry, naive people there.


> LOVED BY 41169 DEVELOPERS

Where does this statistic come from? I only see 196 stars on github at https://github.com/Irrelon/ForerunnerDB


Seems made up. It's 1 to 1 same number as here: http://bitcommand.com/ which uses same template.


Ooops, sorry about that, rookie mistake pulling a template and using it without going through all the sections properly. I've pulled it from the page... apologies!


Almost certainly just page visits. Or it's just made up.


Maybe it's the number of download?


Marketers.


No, the official name for io.js is io.js, it is explicitly not Io.js. You can tell because this is what the owners of the project have clearly stated. Linguistic rules (which are rarely in fact rules), have nothing to do with it. If I tell you my name is "bob" and not "Bob" then I'm right because it's my name, you don't get to enforce your own preferences, just because of the language you speak.


But if you were to call yourself bob you should not be surprised when everyone mispells your name as Bob.


No, it shouldn't be surprising, but they are not correct, because bob is my name (it isn't).


If I started a sentence with your name though, I would capitalise the name.

Bob went to the shop. When he got there, bob bought an icecream.



I've probably been conditioned by nodejs versioning . I guess this makes sense. Still feels strange.


This prompted me to look up Node's versioning style to see if it had a name, but I couldn't find one.

What I did learn is how in Node.js even numbered releases are stable and odd numbered releases are unstable. That seems pretty odd to me (no pun intended), is this normal?


It's copied from the linux kernel - http://www.linfo.org/kernel_version_numbering.html


We should clarify that Linux no longer uses that version numbering system.


Also Perl: 5.20 is current stable, 5.21 is unstable but will eventually lead to 5.22.

http://perldoc.perl.org/perlfaq1.html#How-often-are-new-vers...


yeah, node doesn't do this. node 0.12.0 should actually be (at least) node 5.0, if they followed semver.


I think religious following of semver doesn't matter, but semver says that pre 1.0 numbers are essentially meaningless so nodejs might be actually following it correctly.

> Major version zero (0.y.z) is for initial development. Anything may change at any time. The public API should not be considered stable.


I think not:

> if your software is being used in production, it should probably already be 1.0.0. If you have a stable API on which users have come to depend, you should be 1.0.0. If you're worrying a lot about backwards compatibility, you should probably already be 1.0.0.


So, either they are using 0.y.z to allow themselves breaking changes whenever, or they are using it as a signal that it's not production-ready, or they are not following semantic versioning.

Is there another alternative?


HN auto-capitalizes story titles, because it presumes to know better than the submitter.


Can't have people just running around disregarding the rules. Think how disruptive that would be.


I'd step carefully here, because you really don't want to accidentally mention semicolons...



This is wrong. There's stories in new at the moment that start with a lowercase letter, and this story has a lowercase word in the title.

There's apparently immense social pressure to capitalize titles, but it isn't enforced by HN.


It seems there is some kind of job that regularily changes titles to upper case. We had that happen on the io.js 1.0 thread.


please stick with promises. Promises are the only sane way to deal with async in JS. With people starting to use async/await they become even more compelling.

The people who defend callbacks either don't understand the benefits that promises provide, don't know about async/await or are suffering from stockholm syndrome.

Callbacks do not pass the reversibility test. If everyone had started out with promises and / or async/await, and someone proposed callbacks as a way to deal with this instead, they'd be dismissed as a fool. They're an accident of history and we should forget about them as quickly as possible.


Callbacks allow await/defer in Iced CoffeeScript, not to mention the other async libs as stated above.

Promises don't really offer any benefit to program structure overall, generally devs just end up creating long chains of anonymous functions rather than long nests of anonymous functions. Promises actually discourage flat code (and functional programming) for that reason. I understand they seem attractive but become a hack in complex situations.


> Callbacks allow await/defer in Iced CoffeeScript

Not the same thing as in ES6, also that project is totally dead.

> generally devs just end up creating long chains of anonymous functions rather than long nests of anonymous functions

Not true in my experience, also not required at all when using async / await.

> Promises actually discourage flat code (and functional programming) for that reason.

This is really not true, Promises are functional and composable, callbacks are imperative.

> I understand they seem attractive but become a hack in complex situations.

Just no. Callbacks lead to terrible "solutions" like caolan/async, callbacks make refactoring extremely awkward.

Callbacks don't even get to claim better performance, because they require a load of internal hacks in node/io.js to maintain state.

With async/await in the picture, callbacks so totally inferior I can't believe someone would attempt to argue otherwise.


catching up? io.js is waaaaay ahead of node both in terms of features and community engagement


Redis.io already does this fwiw


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