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https://www.vice.com/en/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scient... [2019]

Turns out people don't want to do business with you when you make comments like that.

Doesn't matter how much cool software you wrote. Or how much you donate. After a certain point people would rather not be involved with your behavior if it doesn't align.

Fortunately in this specific instance we see society taking SA and r**, as serious topics.

Let's hope we have more of this. Maybe one day I'll finally meet a female colleague in the tech industry who _doesn't_ have a harrassment story to share.


Stallman wrote "the most plausible scenario is she presented herself to [Minsky] as entirely willing."

That's very different from saying she was entirely willing. Taking words out of context to change what someone said is bad, right? Perhaps you should be outraged at Vice.


> Turns out people don't want to do business with you when you make comments like that, unless it’s the music industry

FIFY

I find it weird that Michael Jackson is on the radio so often and Chris Brown is still releasing new music and selling out, yet if they were behind a keyboard rather than microphone, they would have been cancelled long ago


Comments in this thread represent what’s wrong with the industry.

The article references sexual harassment, the commenters care about market share.

Did you know it’s important to hold people accountable more, the more power they have?

It’s one thing if you disagree, but making it about “winners” and “losers” and not about victims is how we ended up creating toxic workplaces.


>The article references sexual harassment, the commenters care about market share.

Alleged sexual harassment. Granted I don't know the whole story, but it doesn't seem like there has been anything more than accusations. I don't think its right to fire someone based on heresay. Once he is proven to have crossed the lines, then I'm all for holding him accountable. Until then, I think people should keep the pitchfork in the shed.

Also I'm not defending his commentary, but people are entitled to their own opinions.


> The article references sexual harassment, the commenters care about market share.

The sexual harassment is hearsay, and one making accusations (Mozilla) is so deep in bed with Google, if they sneezed Alphabet would come out.

The market share is people way if saying, really, that's what you want to focus on?


> Comments in this thread represent what’s wrong with the industry.

It's incredibly troubling. It shows that a hell of a lot of men will excuse incredibly shitty behaviour, because they think 'they're next'.

Not unless they're also being incredibly shitty. Nobody's getting 'cancelled' for bad social skills.

I am pleasantly surprised by the number of people speaking out against harassment these days. The open letter has a lot of signatories, many prominent figures. Sadly, of course, the open letter is necessary.


> Nobody's getting 'cancelled' for bad social skills.

People have been cancelled for less.

Here's a guy facing a closed door tribunal for jokingly saying in a keynote that someone was wrong on technical points:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24926214

Here is someone getting character-assassinated because... We don't know why. This guy made others uncomfortable, or so the organizers said. Other examples of similar stories in there too:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12422420

The discussion of whether what RMS has done in the past (and still does? I don't know? Did he repent?) crosses a line in the sand that you (and others) see between bad social skills and actual harassment needs more nuance than "people don't get cancelled for the wrong reasons".


the sexual harassment was asking women at conferences on dates


He's obviously an animal, devoid of all reason./sarcasm


You're downplaying it entirely. He has a track record of handing out sexualized 'pleasure cards' at professional conferences.

Women at MIT were warned away from him, told to keep plants to ward him off.

And one of the most troubling things he has done is psychological manipulation. Many jurisdictions rightly recognise as domestic abuse. In particular, he told one woman he would kill himself if she didn't date him.

Depressed people should seek treatment. Being depressed doesn't excuse manipulation.


For heavens sake, "business or pleasure?" was the question you were asked at the border before getting a stamp in your passport once upon a time.

So a business card turned into a pleasure card, which has nothing to do with sex at all, except for people who want to see things that aren't there.

It's one of RMS's quaint re-namings, and people turn it into something sinister.

> Women at MIT were warned away from him, told to keep plants to ward him off.

That may have been a joke or they didn't want to listen to his preaching. Anecdotal hearsay anyway.

> he told one woman he would kill himself if she didn't date him.

How did he say that? Most likely as a joke, which millions of people have done.

But hey, let's focus on Stallman who wasn't even involved with Epstein himself instead of the people that Epstein collected dossiers about. Those would be the interesting ones, but perhaps some corporate or political interests don't allow it.


Thank you for the explanation of the "business or pleasure" connection. That's how I read it as well but with everyone pulling out their torches and scythes for a witch hunt, I was starting to second guess my own opinion and perception of all this. I'm not sure if there's a word for that phenomenon...


For reference here's one of the cards (I don't know if he made other versions): https://fossforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/RMSleisure....


You downplay the sexual harassment of handing out these 'pleasure cards'.

But ultimately, real women are upset by it. The unprofessional behavior discourages women from being in tech.

Just because you wouldn't mind receiving such a card, doesn't mean it's not harassment. I mean, do you understand (a) the nature of consent, and (b) professional workplace environments?


you realize that the situation you are describing is 'being handed a business card', right


Which real women? Why could they not reject such card?


> But ultimately, real women are upset by it.

I wouldn't call anyone (woman or man) that can't handle being upset "real". In fact it is the opposite of it. It shows a distinct lack of skills in dealing with reality, that is if you accept that real life is not just rainbows and sunshine, no matter how much we desire so.


>In particular, he told one woman he would kill himself if she didn't date him.

>Depressed people should seek treatment. Being depressed doesn't excuse manipulation.

I've been on the receiving end of that same situation; and yet, I don't think inciting an internet hate mob to banish that person from their life's work indefinitely is the proper "treatment" I'd recommend to give that person.


Again, mental health doesn't excuse domestic abuse.


This is not domestic abuse.


What makes you think I said it did?


Is it necessary to replicate the insensitive language here? I suppose the point could have come across without adopting the WSB usage in the same way.


Your unwillingness to even look at the "insensitive language" is part of the point of that group. Recall how anti facial recognition technologies have sprung up, guerrilla style, like "Dazzle." Similarly, these groups who do not want certain types of people looking at them adopt this language and behold, some do indeed look away.


It's on a post directly referencing the /r/WSB board. I don't think it's out of character to use their language.


Also, unlike Elon tweets (from https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/blob/devel/README.md#su...):

> openpilot ALC and openpilot LDW do not automatically drive the vehicle or reduce the amount of attention that must be paid to operate your vehicle. The driver must always keep control of the steering wheel and be ready to correct the openpilot ALC action at all times.

While changing lanes, openpilot is not capable of looking next to you or checking your blind spot. Only nudge the wheel to initiate a lane change after you have confirmed it's safe to do so.

Many factors can impact the performance of openpilot ALC and openpilot LDW, causing them to be unable to function as intended. These include, but are not limited to:

Poor visibility (heavy rain, snow, fog, etc.) or weather conditions that may interfere with sensor operation. The road facing camera is obstructed, covered or damaged by mud, ice, snow, etc. Obstruction caused by applying excessive paint or adhesive products (such as wraps, stickers, rubber coating, etc.) onto the vehicle. The device is mounted incorrectly. When in sharp curves, like on-off ramps, intersections etc...; openpilot is designed to be limited in the amount of steering torque it can produce. In the presence of restricted lanes or construction zones. When driving on highly banked roads or in presence of strong cross-wind. Extremely hot or cold temperatures. Bright light (due to oncoming headlights, direct sunlight, etc.). Driving on hills, narrow, or winding roads. The list above does not represent an exhaustive list of situations that may interfere with proper operation of openpilot components. It is the driver's responsibility to be in control of the vehicle at all times.


You’d be surprised how much work goes into operating with that many subscribers. Top funnel, attrition, constant harassment, stolen content, fan requests, just to name some obvious ones.


Isn't Reddit like this, in a way? You can append ".json" at the end and get the data for a page. Others can build their own UI on top of this, if they don't prefer the first party representation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/.json


The same could be achieved by having the server return different views of the data for different HTTP Accept headers, although not as convenient as appending a file extension. I once did this to interpolate REST API responses into dedicated HTML templates if requested with Accept: text/html, which made exploring the API in the browser more enjoyable.


If you go back to the web as a bunch of file servers, where every URL ended in the extension type of the document you wanted, this is what you get. Then MVC frameworks said "hey, if the URL represents some semantic aspect of the View, we can show off the power of MVC by letting users swap out the view by changing the extension!" And voila, some.com/url.html for HTML and some.com/url.xml for XML and, later, some.com/url.json for JSON

Most of the big MVC frameworks offered this out of the box at some point, which made life easier before dedicated RESTful APIs became a thing.


Yeah, it is kind the same, but with the same page.


This has regressed. In the NetZero days you would be limited to some hours per month depending on your plan. Then came unlimited cable. And now we are back: my residential AT&T DSL connection is limited to 1TB per month in the Bay Area


Whoa. That would give you one day of laundry washing per month in the IoT age.

https://old.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/comments/k72lzq/sowh...


This is incredible, thank you!


There’s a lot. Cisco makes them if you have their conference room hardware. Any new tech corporate office (and some non tech) will have some sort of hardware that lets you dial into the meeting and or reserve the conference room.


Yep. Got banned from Google ad mob because the ads I bought using other Google services gave me traffic that was deemed to be fraud.

Of course there’s no way to contact and tell Google that Google gave me fraud traffic and got me banned from Google.


Don't worry. Some rando at Google is bound to see this message or the next one!


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