For a business...it was $300 cheaper to install Comcast with TV than without as of Oct 2013. I pay $2/month for TV but got free install and I can cancel TV in a year. It seems to me they need another mouth to feed.

Maybe I'm missing something but why would it be cheaper for Comcast to include TV?

It probably means that some mid-level manager at Comcast is catching heat from the home office for letting their TV numbers slip.

At least once a month for the past couple of years, Comcast sends me some junk mail begging for an "Account Review," in which they would add triple-play service to my business Internet account in exchange for a discount on all three. Those letters go in the trash on general principles.

Sure - did we discredit him? Is sharing credit with one guy discrediting another?

When you say "he never coded", that's obviously meant to imply something, perhaps to lessen his contributions in some way especially in a forum of coders. What does it have to do with this film at all? Jony Ive didn't write a single line of code either. And Steve Jobs did a lot of design.

Why not just focus on the people you want to cover, without asking the unnecessary question "Did Steve Jobs get too much credit?"

Look, a product guy is nontechnical and often gets credit for greenlighing a solution he'd never have thought of. Was Jobs the ultimate product guy?

Well, many people seem to just view Steve Jobs as a "product guy" that simply greenlighted or nixed products, and that's certainly discrediting him and what he did.

Again, could you explain why you chose that headline? Perhaps because it would grab attention?

For me, all it did was turn me off your book.

What's next, some other people writing a book about Scott Forstall or Bertrand Serlet, saying "Jony Ive never coded. Did we give credit to the wrong guy?"

What's the goal of a startup? The unscalable stuff works if the goal is to be a real business that provides real revenue.

Haven't read it - but I bought it, thanks.

I mostly agree, I was trying to keep it contemporary.

zing. (and yeah, you don't read the damn things cover to cover. Except for my bondage and my freedom.)

We homeschool and that was the one off the list I bought immediately for my kids.

And FYI - this was a list made for AEs to be able to talk to engineers more quickly and fluently.

Good point:

IT depends on what you do. I made it for salespeople initially, based on books I'd become familiar with.

Yeah, I liked a lot of books, I made this list based on what I was familiar with.

I sure wish I was this clever.

Perhaps, but unlikely. And regardless, I know Ryan is.

Also, yes, I realize that bad press is good press and that this controversy will probably drive Ryan even more sales, just by virtue of the fact that more people are talking about his book than would have otherwise. And I don't really care either way, I'd just prefer that people be in the know.

So but for you, the folks that read Hacker News would have been fooled by my ruse.

You're being snarky, aren't you? No, wait, everyone here is snarky.

So is this hidden promotion for Holiday, or isn't it? It's not bad if it is, I meant to pick the book up anyways.