A civilized person of course would use either MacPorts or a proper native macOS installer package.

Apple are just number two, half a trillion behind nVidia. Hopefully that’ll soon change when the bubble pops.

I think Homebrew still makes a mess with permissions on multiuser systems (at least on macOS), so it's probably not a good example of best practices.

I'm not holding it as a best practice, and I don't see how that was interpreted from my comment. I think installation through a copy/pasted script is terrible business.

But it was held as something exceptional, when here in reality a number of extremely widely used products, frameworks and tools provide installation through a curled shell script command.

Another example is CUDA on Linux. Installed via some copy/pasted scripts from a webpage.

I have must misunderstood or misinterpreted your comment a bit then.

I fully agree, this seems to be becoming more and more common unfortunately.

I think the question was if it will still find 49 out of 50 if they have been replaced.

To be fair, Microsoft already had Skype (for Business) and NetMeeting before that. It's not like they were new to that market. NetMeeting existed for more than a decade before Zoom even came into existence.

Zoom had COVID-19 play in it's favor, that's about it.

Skype for Business is the VoIP component for Teams, now. Sharepoint is the file service for Teams, too.

Basically, Teams is a front end for a bunch of old Mircosoft cloud services... plus chat. Actually more than one chat as teams channels chat is a separate tech stack from private chat. It used to be much more monlothic and then the Sharepoint people got their hooks into it.

Teams minus the bloat and bugs?

> Is liquid glass really that bad?

It's unfinished. For example, the more rounded windows would require that scrollbars or other widgets are more inset and things like that. The system doesn't seem to handle this automatically, so many apps look broken, even Apple's first party ones.

> If we could talk about Xcode of, say, 2014, it'd be a less ambiguous conversation.

Which be more a problem of Swift and especially SwiftUI.

> So it's probably fine to just block the big platforms. Forums or messengers (without ads and public channels) are probably fine.

One idea would be to only allow non-profits maybe.

Well, for one, benefiting Microsoft's ecosystem does not imply being detrimental to other ecosystems per se.

Furthermore, couldn't the convergence of TypeScript towards C# be simply a result of shared goals and values of the two languages, especially considering they have the same principal designer?