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how is freezing their donations not punishment?


Because once you donate money, you have given it away, and it's gone. If you're expecting something in return you are trying to make a purchase, not a donation.

Punishment would involve having something further taken away. If they jailed people for donating, that would be punishment.


> Because once you donate money, you have given it away, and it's gone.

Presumably to the entity you intended to donate to, no? I would argue that determining where your money goes is a right.. If I intercepted all of your future charitable donations for my own purposes you would be understandably upset.


Great. So, stealing from charity is now ethical. Good to know !!!


Ha ha, so easy to refute. Is it unethical for the government to stop me from say, donating to a terrorist organisation? It's still "charity", right? ;)


if we really want to get dirty with things aren't you already doing that through taxes? black budgets and such?

also what constitutes a terrorist? its easy to say ISIS is terrorism, but are the truckers or January 6th people considered terrorists?

if so then BLM can be considered terrorists, and then how come they never got their donations seized?

deep rabbit hole with no way out


donation are purchases -- you are buying capital for the fund of your choice. if it turned out a charity you donated to was funneling money somewhere, they would be effectively stealing from you, as the thing you were purchasing was never given.


This wasn't strictly freezing donations, it was completely freezing a person's bank account.


nothing like lobbyists donating large sums of money to political candidates on behalf of the elite, hey! it's legal!.


Err, donating large sums of money to politicians, government officers are prevalent in Russia. Where do you think Putin’s wealth come from? You can track lobby money in the US. Can you do that in Russia?


what difference does it make being able to track lobby money in the US?


house foundations, water delivery off the top of my head, logistics in general possibly if I'm wanting to stretch the term.


Foundations change (tensioned slab, etc) and water inside of houses (copper vs pvc vs PEX vs lead). Electrical is even in frequent flux under those timescales. Insulation as well.

Very little stays consistent…


But the concept of water being fed through pipe, from a reservoir, chlorination, etc have been around a long time. Sure implementation details change, but they and the concepts they build off of have been around. You mention pvc, copper, and pex (lead is over 50 years old and many have been replaced). Those are just materials. How do they affect end user on a daily basis?

How long has electrical be 120v AC? How long has auto voltage been 12v vs 5v?

Details, materials, and implementation change (building off of prior versions), concepts and overarching system designs are slow to change.


That feels like we're stretching the claim a whole lot. The "basic concept" of a Tesla isn't that different than a Model T but I think most people would reject the claim that cars haven't really changed much.


Road design and laws have mostly stayed the same in the past 50 years. How about controls (pedals, wheel, etc) - more or less the same as well (subject to regulations).

There are similarities in your example. The fact that Tesla has autopilot and is an EV represent two of the biggest moves away from traditional car concepts. If you used an ICE car I would say the concepts haven't changed much.


Sorry, I was answering the second part 'Some have also been under continuous improvement for hundreds or thousands of years.' :)


Thanks DDG, time to try a different search engine. I was always doing !g anyway.


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