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But if the situation was reversed and Trump was the email server bandit this thread would be 50% hate on Trump posts.

Thats just how it is on HN.


Citation needed


Money.


The US, Germany, and Japan are all technology leaders. None of those nations leapfrogged into a developed nation by copying others.


Funny story, heavy industry in the US was started by a guy who, realizing the British would check his luggage for documents, memorized all the plans and ideas he stole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Cabot_Lowell


uh...

Japan was practically given a lot of American Technology right after WWII under Robert Demings. In fact, Toyota is partially the way it is today, thanks to the Ford Assembly Line, but they still paved there own means of success.

Germany arguably the same as well, around the same time frame. Can't recall the exact history of what US gave to Germany though, but it was most likely part of the Marshall Plan.

US is copying a lot of methodologies and philosophies from Japan. Any deriative of the Toyota way is in many management philosophies, from scrum, agile development, etc. Germany, much technology is still being shared between both our countries today. Japan is copying a lot of software innovations from America, and vice versa.


Yeah, This American Life had a great podcast about the NUMMI[1] plant that covers this in great depth. Pretty fascinating stuff.

[1] https://www.thisamericanlife.org/561/nummi-2015


In addition to what others have said, the Merchandise Marks of Act 1887 was passed in Britain to require all foreign made items to have a country of origin listed. This was mainly so that British consumers could see that something was a cheap German knockoff.


A counterexample: In WW1 German patents were declared invalid in the U.S. The U.S chemical industry basically then copied everything they could from them with the government's blessing.


Can't wait for the 2060 version: "Unlike Brazil or India, China is a technology leader. It didn't copy others."



Being familiar with a machine, and taking that knowledge elsewhere seems qualitatively different from wholesale copying of documents and blueprints.


> He learned of the American interest in developing similar machines, and he was also aware of British laws against exporting the designs. He therefore memorized as much as he could and departed for New York in 1789.

Textile mills at the time were the modern day equivalent of semiconductor foundries. I dare you to try something like that today and see what happens to you.


You're allowed to walk away from a job and retain the knowledge you learned in that job.


Not when "he was also aware of British laws against exporting the designs".

And semiconductor technology is generally considered a national secret.


Not if what you know is a trade secret, that you have signed an NDA on.


This is really nothing different from Anthony Lewandowski and friends.


It would be more like if Uber hired levandowski and he didn't (allegedly) walk away with gigabytes of info and only walked with what was in his own head


Things have changed since then. It's the same data. Your means of recording it has just changed.


Really? I remembered when the Americans accused the Japanese of copying.


This is patently false. Industrial espionage, or just plain-old gifts (To keep the commies out) kickstarted the manufacturing economies of all three of those countries.

Of course, once you become a manufacturing leader, you want to pull the ladder up from under you, in the form of strong IP laws.


The US and Japan most certainly did industrialize by copying from Europe. Ignoring IP whenever it was inconvenient.


Ah yeah, I remember reading about that in my American History textbook! We started the industrial revolution right after we signed the declaration of independence, it was the British who copied us.


There's a difference between copying and outright theft.


Why is it the wrong thing?


Its a funny reference to bring up California. So many responses to GDPR have been a blanket refusal and cutting EU users off from a nontrivial amount of content on the internet.

As a US citizen, I already know that everything on earth causes cancer to the citizens of CA, but its interesting how many product commercials where you see the products are not available in CA.

Frankley, I think alot of data privacy crusaders are going to be even more surprised by how easy it is for ditigal product offerings to cut out users by geolocation. If CA wants fo go down the road of making websites display notifications about this cancer causing data collection, well, I feel like I could make my living just by selling my digital products in Texas.

At some point the regulation makes the business unprofitable.


TBH it was a quick search on Google and I don’t know the details. What I wanted to point out was the parent thought that:

> The EU unlike the US isn't a contiguous block.


That poster literally contradicted himself in two sentences.


You bet there are absolutly people who want protection from this discrimination. Those people want it broken down to the concept of nothing more than 'I was here first, you must offer the job to me or I have cause to sue'.

It is one of the hallmarks of union labor management. It is one reason why private labor has a competitive advantage.


If your negociating with walmart or mcdonalds you have nothing to offer in terms of skill. (for the jobs you are referencing)

Those people who have skills worth money like to negociate.

The great thing about that is everone can better themselves and be worth more.


Why does more skill imply negotiation opportunity? Because you can then threaten to go somewhere else? That depends on whether those other places have the same non-negotiation policy. That's the idea of a wage fixing cartel.


Except for the last 30 years...


If you dont wont to be in debt, dont take the loan. Saying that you not getting your secondary education paid for by somebody else dooms you to a life of serfdom just sounds like you whining


This might be good advice to give to an individual, but it’s a terrible conclusion to draw society-wide. Similar to advice about the dangers of drug use, casual sex, driving without a seat belt, or the like.

At a system level, we need to consider people’s demonstrated behavior and look at the practical outcomes of various policy interventions, not decide policy based on moral judgments about whether people deserve their misery.

People are strongly pressured into taking these loans, told that they face much worse life prospects without the education than without the debt, and many of them do not have a full understanding of the risks and opportunities involved. Under the circumstances, many are going to take the loans, whether or not they hear your warning.

When they subsequently can’t pay the debt back, it doesn’t really matter for society whether they are “whining” or not. What matters is that the debts hang around their necks like anchors, preventing them from getting on with their lives, depressing their lifetime earnings, keeping them from buying houses or starting families or taking higher paying jobs, etc., and ultimately making them less capable of paying their own medical bills, supporting their own retirements, and so on.

These are large systemic problems which need to be addressed by large systemic changes, not by punishing people for supposed moral failings by forcing them into poverty.


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