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It is imperative to enforce the law and block internet platforms that fail to comply with legal regulations. The internet cannot serve as a sanctuary for promoting neo-Nazi groups and other illegal activities, as it must remain subject to legal jurisdiction. All individuals and organizations, whether online or offline, must be held accountable to the law. It is unacceptable to allow hate speech, homophobia, and the promotion of heinous crimes, such as child murder, to proliferate unchecked. The platform Telegram, for example, was rightfully blocked for refusing to provide authorities with phone numbers. It is essential that this platform and others that violate legal standards be severely punished to ensure compliance with the law.


Agreed!

While we're at it, we should also put cameras and microphones in every street corner, every public place, every household, every toilet. Everyone who refuses to do so should be considered a terrorist for refusing to cooperate with the authorities who, we all know, are infallible, only have children's interest at heart, and would never abuse their power for their own gain.

We should not stop until every inch of the Earth is covered in surveillance technology - after all, nothing to hide, nothing to fear. That's the only way we can guarantee the safety of our children. And no price is too high for the safety of our children! Anyone who says otherwise is a terrorist and a child abuser, and if that's not obvious to you, you're a terrorist and a child abuser.

Privacy is a necessary precondition to child abuse - therefore, allowing privacy is allowing child abuse.


Agreed! The government should have access to all online accounts. Bank, email, Facebook,.. and at least once a day each citizen should give mandatory report what they were thinking.


> and at least once a day each citizen should give mandatory report what they were thinking.

So just like SCRUM?


Using standups to determine who’s an upstanding citizen…


Is there nothing in between? While surveillance is indeed bad, also free pass is bad. So what should we do about the crimes already happening, as few as they might be?


Yes, there is a lot in between, that's the whole point of the hyperbole.

Internet surveillance could solve child abuse, but so could nuclear bombs. Solutions to problems should be judged by the amount of collateral damage they cause.

The original comment advocates for government surveillance of all digital communication - in my opinion, that causes a lot of collateral damage.


Did the last 5x times we did something help?

How many "save the kids" bills have we passed that haven't worked?

Repeal those and let's talk.


we are almost there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLsHI8aV0g

nothing to hide, nothing to fear


While I knew China is a surveillance state with cameras and face rec everywhere, this is just horrid. Fuck, what a terrible place to live, I can't even imagine growing up there as a child.


Need more AI and surveillance in our lives for sure.


Absolutely! And neo-Nazis are just a start, all illegal activities in all nations should be upheld as moral imperatives. The law should be treated as inviolable religious edicts and those who violate them as blasphemers and infidels!


Excellent troll post (assuming it is one).


It is imperative to enforce the law and block internet platforms that fail to comply with legal regulations. The internet cannot serve as a sanctuary for promoting neo-Nazi groups and other illegal activities, as it must remain subject to legal jurisdiction. All individuals and organizations, whether online or offline, must be held accountable to the law. It is unacceptable to allow hate speech, homophobia, and the promotion of heinous crimes, such as child murder, to proliferate unchecked. The platform Telegram, for example, was rightfully blocked for refusing to provide authorities with phone numbers. It is essential that this platform and others that violate legal standards be severely punished to ensure compliance with the law.


I'm not a digital privacy dogmatist and in like general terms I agree that sometimes states have legitimate powers to wiretap or whatever. And I agree that the idea that any group of people anywhere can communicate in near perfect secrecy about whatever they want is a little scary. But technology has put us in a challenging position wherein it seems like our only two choices are living in a perfect surveillance state all the time, where everything can be, in principal, observed by the state at a whim and the former reality, where people can have genuinely private communications.

When I think of it in those terms, I'd rather humans continue to have privacy, even if it allows ne'er do wells to conspire secretly.


It's a politico-technological arms race. Government makes laws, people make technology to circumvent those laws, government makes new laws, people make new technology. With every iteration, government must increase its tyranny to enjoy the same level of control it had before. Governments get worse and worse in a desperate attempt to hold on to their power. We'll either end up in a totalitarian state or with an uncontrollable population, whichever comes first. Who'll reach their limits first?

Brazilian government is already speaking of giving judges and politicians total power to censor things on the internet. They're speaking of "autonomous internet supervision entities". Yeah.


I'm not so sure its so zero-sum.


> And I agree that the idea that any group of people anywhere can communicate in near perfect secrecy about whatever they want is a little scary

The problem is, short of banning encryption altogether, you cannot prevent people from communicating in near perfect secrecy. If a criminal (or neo-Nazi, or homophobic, or whatever scapegoat you want to use) organization wants to communicate secretly, they will have means of doing so. All it takes is single programmer to write the custom application, and a single AWS instance to relay the data.

By banning Telegram or enforcing government rules, you're only taking away privacy from ordinary folks, while doing effectively nothing to those who you're claiming to fight against.

...and no, this is not an argument for banning encryption. I hope that part is obvious.


It is pretty easy to imagine a world where all manufactured hardware is compromised by default so that the state can access it. In some ways were close to that already. That said, you're point is good. The dedicated person can probably achieve pretty good privacy except in the most powerful regimes.


Even that wouldn't stop the most dedicated, which are most likely exactly the ones you're trying to stop.

As long as embedded devices exist, you can write a QR reader/writer + encryptor/decryptor on an embedded device with a camera/display, and use the compromised devices as just a transport layer for encrypted QR coded messages.


Would you also agree to this ban, if it was to expose a group of homosexual men having consensual sex, assuming it was illegal?


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