What's sadder is that these people came to a field where really the bare minimum to learn and create was a cheap computer with a text editor.

Now, the field comes with a perpetual $20/month tag, apparently.

Both are cool projects, but their scope is totally different to that of GNOME or KDE.

Limited scope isn't a bad thing.

But both have done great work too - I use gnome-keying and KDE Connect all the time.