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That's all Google cares about. How to invade our privacy and force us to see more ads?


It's funny how OpenAI just shattered Google's PR stunts. Google wanted everyone to believe they are leading in AI by winning some children's games. Everyone thought that was the peak of AI. Enter OpenAI and Micorsoft. Microsoft and OpenAI have showed the humanity what true AI looks like. Like most people on HN I cannot wait to see the end of Google, the end of evil.


> Like most people on HN I cannot wait to see the end of Google, the end of evil.

What is the difference? Replacing evil with another evil.

This is just behemoths exchanging hands.


Is Microsoft less evil than Google?


Yes, if Dr. Fauci says COVID came from the market it should be good enough for everyone. But the MAGA conspiracy theorists will try anything to discredit Dr. Fauci.


> Yes, if Dr. Fauci says COVID came from the market it should be good enough for everyone.

Gross. Have some dignity.


> Who writes these headlines anyways...

A Pulitzer prize winning journalist. Lab leak is dead.


> Lab leak is dead.

Is this satire? One biased source parroting another is not news or fact.

Also, does anyone in the real world give a shit about who wins a Pulitzer?


Argh. I’m lost. Is your outrage being ironic too?


Russia is an existential threat to our democracy. Surveillance is necessary so no election can interfered by the Russians. Millions of lives have been lost because of an illegal president. We don't want that to happen again.


Can I have some of your drugs?


> Russia is an existential threat to our democracy.

Where did I hear this talking point before? Oh that's right. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.

https://youtu.be/q_hGKT5FI78?t=52


That's the Sinclair Broadcast Group forcing the news orgs they own to read from the same script. They also had "must run" news segments that include conservative commentary. That doesn't mean Russia isn't a threat to democracy world wide, it just means we have a problem with mega corps owning too much media. I don't think that gives the US an excuse to spy on our own citizens however.


I have hard times feeling any sympathy for these companies. When you trust an ad company like Google what did you expect? Maybe Google will shutdown this product and fix the secuity hole in the process.


Knowing the byzantine ways of Google support, I wouldn't be surprised if Google's reaction to this would be to ban the account of everyone involved in this episode.


Google should shut down Cloud because they allow groups to be added to IAM?

That’s an interesting take.


Fair enough, but it's also worth noting that this mistake is difficult to make in AWS. You can do it, but you have to be so explicit about what you're doing that I can't imagine anyone managing it accidentally.

The system is broken if this has happened _multiple_ times to this guy.


I think you misinterpreted OP. He is making a pun with the widespread beliefs that

a) Google doesn't care about giving user support for their products even if you pay

b) Over a not-so-long time the survival rate of every Google product seems to drop to zero unless it is related to search and ads.

So, the joke is that the problem would solve itself when google predictably kills this product.


I’m not sure that’s a pun. But on re-read I am seeing the humor. On my first read I just saw the tired vitriol, “google == bad”.


What it’s doing is actually useful, using a group to easily add people to roles is great

Not making the group do confirmation, or even acknowledging the addition is super stupid


This proves my point. Google never had any lead in AI. All they have and will have is PR stunts.


Google is really trying to catch up to OpenAI & MS. The truth is they have never been in the race to begin with. All they had and still have is PR stunts. Let's see if their copying of MS model will produce anything useful.


> The truth is they have never been in the race to begin with.

Product race? My understanding is they've been so concerned with safety/harm that they've been slow to implement a lot of tools - then OpenAI made an attempt at it anyway.

Google has generally been ahead from a research perspective though. And honestly it's going to be really sad if they just stop releasing papers outright - hopefully the release their previous gen stuff as they go :/


I don't know how anyone can say this with a straight face when Google is the one who invented LLMs as used today to begin with.

Google has a product issue, not an AI research one.


It's usually the least informed with the most self-assured sweeping opinions.


DeepMind and Google invented many other things, but I think the first GPT style token predictor was actually ... GPT, a model by OpenAI. RLHF was also invented at OpenAI. They also had the first text-to-image model.


Curious why you think this? PaLM2 looks great, and Google has been productizing cutting edge AI pretty fast for years.


PaLM 2 can't even solve "Write three sentences ending in the word Apple."

It's worse than GPT-3.5. Go see for yourself at bard.google.com, which is running on PaLM 2 everywhere but the EU as of yesterday.


Ah yes, the famous benchmark for all LLMs. I just tried your novel example with GPT-3.5 and it couldn't solve it either:

> After lunch, I like to snack on a juicy and crisp apple to satisfy my sweet tooth.

> In the fall, many families enjoy going to apple orchards to pick their own apples and make homemade apple pies.

> The new MacBook Pro features a powerful M1 chip and a stunning Retina display, making it the perfect tool for creative professionals who work with Apple software.


Eh, I think as "human evaluated" metrics go, it's a decent test of how well it can parse a reasonably complex sentence and reply accurately.

For me:

GPT4 3/3: I couldn't resist the temptation to take a bite of the juicy, red apple. Her favorite fruit was not a pear, nor an orange, but an apple. When asked what type of tree to plant in our garden, we unanimously agreed on an apple.

GPT3.5 2/3: "After a long day of hiking, I sat under the shade of an apple tree, relishing the sweet crunch of a freshly picked apple." "As autumn approached, the air filled with the irresistible aroma of warm apple pie baking in the oven, teasing my taste buds." "The teacher asked the students to name a fruit that starts with the letter 'A,' and the eager student proudly exclaimed, 'Apple!'"

Bard 0/3: Sure, here are three sentences ending in the word "apple": I ate an apple for breakfast.The apple tree is in bloom. The apple pie was delicious. Is there anything else I can help you with?

Bard definitely seems to fumble the hardest, it's pretty funny how it brackets the response too. "Here's three sentences ending with the word apple!" nope.

Edit: Interesting enough, Bard seems to outperform GPT3.5 and at least match 4 on my pet test prompt, asking it "What’s that Dante quote that goes something like “before me there were no something, and only something something." 3.5 struggled to find it, 4 finds it relatively quickly, Bard initially told me that quote isn't in the poem but when I reiterated I couldn't remember the whole thing it found it immediately and sourced the right translation. It answered as if it were reading out of a specific translation too - "The source I used was..." Is there agent behavior under the hood of bard or is just how the model is trained to communicate?


I guess PaLM2 is competitive with GPT-3.5 so for people not willing to pay it will be an attractive offering.

I'm not sure that counts as 'great' though.


Based on what do you think it's comparable to GPT-3.5 and not to 4? Did we see a lot of public performance?


They claim it is already being used in Bard, also if you read the paper it does much worse at the important benchmarks.


OpenAI is the Microsoft Explorer of AI.


Google has multiple horses in this race.

They invested $300m in Anthropic in late 2022: https://www.ft.com/content/583ead66-467c-4bd5-84d0-ed5df7b5b...

(Non-paywall: https://archive.is/Y5A9B)


Lately HN reminds me of Slashdot. Everything in the universe is MS' fault. Chrome is an adware. It tried to use a bug in Windows to sneakily install itself as the default browser. MS is looking out for its users and suddenly MS is the evil guy.


> MS is looking out for its users

Yes, installing Candy Crush and a version of solitaire filled with IAP or filling the start menu with MSN news cruft is really looking out for its users. The only entities that Microsoft gives half a shit about is their shareholders.


So far, I've seen nothing in these comments promoting Chrome, or Google more generally. They (Google and Microsoft) are both the tech equivalent of boogeyman, but this article focuses on specific anticompetitive behaviour from Microsoft. I think it's safe to generalize and say that nobody here thinks Google a saint.


Not suddenly the evil guy, historically.


The thing I like most about Amazon is its dedication to customers. This is a very long awaited feature and Amazon has delivered it. Amazon could have let users buy from its marketplace and make profit. Instead Amazon has made the right call and decided to protect its customers.


Perhaps they’ve finally estimated the cost of having their reputation turn to shady flee market.

And As the other commenters point out, this is pretty inadequate when there are 100 trivially easy other things they could do which would be even better to help consumers avoid scams but choose not to.


You don’t think they were motivated by the cost of return processing and wasted fulfillment usage? All of these things are significant costs at the scale of returns that Amazon receives.


I can't tell if this is sarcasm or you really belive it.


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