what are you talking about there are plenty eastern uki, russian speaking ukis in the right sector, the nazi is group is very small and its effect is overblown, why is no one talking about the government sponsored thugs fighting together with the police? why dont you speak about the criminals from kharkov(where im from) donetsk, and other regions which beat and hurt innocent people? 100 people were killed today by snipers and you talk some stupid shit you hear on russian media. every region in ukraine is against yanukovich the only difference is the eastern ones are more repressed, in kharkov you cannot do anything, thugs are blatantly fighting with the riot police, please explain this to me.
I don't like Yanukovitch, he is a greedy asshole. Thugs from East are disgusting. Right Sector is alright, but they are being used and soon will become irrelevant and ousted by nationalists.
sorry, what about policy brutality? kidnappings? tortures? murders? corruption? hiring of thugs? beating of journalists? Dmytro Bulatov was found with a part of his year cut off, cheek slashed and crucified by ukrainian police. The Cossak that was undressed? This isnt just an economic protest, dont reduce to such. Those tendencies finished a long time ago, it has now turned into something completely different.
Of course not. In fact the police brutality towards a few peaceful student protesters was what triggered the mass protests in Kiev and all over Ukraine, it wasn't about any particular agreement as many people wrongly believe. I'm just talking about the Russia vs the West politics in Ukraine.
it actually isnt, if you read any political theory there is actually a lot of truth in what hes saying. capitalism needs democracy in order to function and vice versa, the only exception to that ever being china - and theorists are still divided on that issue.
That's a pretty damn big exception, not sure how anyone can make that claim you made with a straight face when the "exception" is composed of 20% of the world population...
this is a very stupid comment, i made an account just so i could reply, first of all poland was never the same as ukraine under soviet rule. Poland enjoyed much more freedom and much more livelier political culture that was ever allowed in ukraine. secondly, i cannot believe someone from an ex soviet country could say that grandmas helped shaped the country in which they find their children in, i would like to know of your experiences in poland but in ukraine the only thing you shaped was how much alcohol you would be drinking during the day. third, the riot police in ukraine is not what you might think of as "innocent" police protecting the state, they protests ignited after the riot police descended on peaceful students and killed several of them including a pregnant girl. lastly and sadly that this is not covered more by western media, these are extremely peaceful protests, where peaceful protesters round up provacateurs and hold them up against the walls of buildings not letting them provoke police. My source? being in the streets. very stupid and offending comment.
>Poland enjoyed much more freedom and much more livelier political culture that was ever allowed in Ukraine.
I agree, this was my understanding. Actually I reference my background because of the culture I inherited. There are several members of my family (70s up) who were children during WWII and did feel the yoke of soviet oppression (Siberian death camps in particular). The rest were murdered in Ukraine no less. That is the only reason I cited my background.
> secondly, i cannot believe someone from an ex soviet country could say that grandmas helped shaped the country in which they find their children in, i would like to know of your experiences in poland but in ukraine the only thing you shaped was how much alcohol you would be drinking during the day.
If not the previous generation, then who? The generation before? Clearly we are blaming the riot police for the calamity of the day (which is fair) but let's not forget how things came to be. If you were drinking alcohol to handle your depression in an oppressed state, then clearly by doing nothing, you did nothing to help the state of things.
>third, the riot police in ukraine is not what you might think of as "innocent" police protecting the state, they protests ignited after the riot police descended on peaceful students and killed several of them including a pregnant girl.
No one is pushing that narrative, if I implied such, I did not mean it. But realize, again, this did not happen in a vacuum, choices were made, or not made.
But my main point is this: Those are people, in that gear, who work for the state. If there is a takeaway from holding a mirror to them it's this: You're human, we're human. Don't dehumanize anyone, protestors and police alike.
