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JSF costs are on a downward trend, and will continue that trend as production numbers increase[0]. For a financial breakdown of the projected costs of the program, see [1], [2](actual source for data in [0] and [1]).

And the program is very, very real. I am aware of other programs which really existed to funnel money to more secret programs, but the JSF program is not one of those front programs.

We don't build more A-10s because they no longer meet the projected operational needs of the USAF, which, along with the rest of the military, is changing strategic focus to the Asia/Pacific region. [3] Not to mention the production line is long since shutdown (32 years ago!) and the tooling either destroyed or lost. The knowledge to build them is lost. You do not simply build more. You have to teach yourself to build them again. This would take years.

[0]: https://i.imgur.com/H5fTkIU.png

[1]: http://i.imgur.com/6cV6I7g.png

[2]: http://breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/0... (The definitive source for F-35 cost data).

[3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/comments/3a7yol/articl... (full text of paywalled Aviation Week article)



I wrote a similarly hyperbolic F-35 comment on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9446079 earlier this year (the comment at the top). I'm half-way kidding in both comments, regarding my comments about the F-35, but on the other hand, unless my aforementioned comment about secret programs, etc. is at least partly true (meaning you're partly wrong), then the F-35 (or at least the opportunity cost of it) will surely turn out to be the fall of US military dominance.

When we're spending nearly (or more than) $100MM for a jet that cannot even stand up against an F-16, a jet introduced in 1978. That's 5 years before I was born, so it's really weird to think about a jet from that long ago even flying today, let alone a pre-Nintendo jet dog fighting (let alone, beating!) a modern jet in 2015, that surely has orders of magnitude more computational power on board than did the entire world at that time.

In other words, the scenario described is a bit like that movie, The Final Countdown, except the fighter jets on the aircraft carrier lose to Japanese Zeros :/ what a frightening situation to be in.

All that said, I understand that we live in a different world now, and that air superiority isn't defined only by dog fighting capability, and that we also have to factor in that most modern dog fights would be over before either pilot could see the other with their own eyes, and that this is, in fact, part of the promise of the F-35. But, regardless of this, what was the value gained by the F-35 by making the wings so small? A slightly larger wing size could have increased fuel capacity, increased fuel efficiency, increased low-speed and low altitude capabilities, and made it a much better dog fighter, at no real expense to other features.


You think the F-35 isn't real? I'm here to tell you otherwise. I've seen and touched and been around many of them. They are real, they fly.


Ha, no. I don't think that at all. I've watched many videos of them flying / vertical take-off. That's why I refer to my comments on the matter as "hyperbolic". When I say "half-way kidding" I'm referring to the costs primarily; as in, I have doubts that the quantities of money being dumped into the program are going completely to the F-35, and I argue that, perhaps, some (a lot?) of it is being funneled in secret to top secret projects. To state that this definitely isn't happening would be silly, since we wouldn't find out for many years, and to state that it's probably not happening seems a little silly, considering the level of cost overruns we're talking about, and considering the fed closed F-22 but now leaves F-35 open, despite gross cost overruns and lobbying by the rest of the military–industrial complex.




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