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I don't think it's particularly charitable to caricature people who don't support Snowden as being jingoist "'muricans". In fact, the term "'murica" is pretty classist; even the word itself mocks the accents of flyover country.

There is a serious, defensible, coherent argument against what Snowden did. You don't have to be a low-information cable news consumer to agree with it, nor do you have to believe that "if you have nothing to hide surveillance is no problem".

(To put my biases on the table: I understand what he did better, I think, than most HN people, and think the ideal outcome would be a felony conviction and an immediately commuted sentence; thus far, I think he's done more good than harm, but I think it would be better if what happened in 2013 never happened in exactly that way again.)



"but I think it would be better if what happened in 2013 never happened in exactly that way again.)"

I think it would be better if what happened in 2013 had never -had- to happen in any way.


That's also true, but orthogonal to what I'm saying.


The point is that you've put the criticism on the person in the situation (Snowden) instead of the people/system that created the situation.

There isn't any perfect way, in the eyes of the state, to deal with a police state because it's a police state.




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