I'm glad we are in agreement - unions will attempt to protect the job/rights of the accused harasser. Hence my comment that I'd be very happy to have a union rep if I wanted to harass people.
I don't think this is inherent to the idea of a union. Unions should be democratic (I don't defend unions that don't give a shit about democracy), and tend to be quite concerned with process. If the union wants to support the accused and not defend the harasser that's their perogative, and if you don't like how your union handles (or doesn't handle) these situations you have the ability to lobby your union to change its process.
I'm glad we all now agree that the main problem to be solved with sexual harassment cases is ensuring the protection of the accused and due process.
Strange - so much interest in due process now. But I don't recall seeing a single comment of that nature when discussing Uber firing Amit Singhal, or Susan Fowler's accusations. Where were all the union advocates then?
probably because they weren't mentioned then, and unions aren't that topical in the US where the corporate lobby has mostly dismantled them and disadvantaged the citizenry.
Except that the victim of the harassment would also have union representation. Assuming that both the perpetrator and the victim started out equal, the union hasn't changed the balance of power at all. However, in most cases of harassment, the perpetrator is someone with more power than the victim, so the union shifts power towards the victim.
Are you sure? Is that really the case? They have a legal duty to defend you against all charges whatever the evidence? I don't think so. Certainly not in the UK. I know people who have been dismissed by the employer with the union rep present to ensure it's legal and above board and the worker is represented. Representation isn't equal to defense.
Well, they're obligated to prevent the accuser from losing their job from making the accusation. The accuser probably wants more than that, however. My understanding is that in many countries other than the US unions are legally allowed to do the sort of self-policing of their members that would help in this case. The law exists because historically many non-socialist unions in the US formed part of the bulwark of segregation and had to be prevented from finding ways to kick non-white members out.