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Small incident? This was a coordinated attack by three terrorists. More than 40 injured. Truck and knives used as weapons on Saturday night crowds.

Look at the intended carnage. Police response time has nothing to do with evaluating the seriousness of the crime. Think about the organised networks behind these attacks, and the "routine" nature they are becoming, and then perhaps contribute ideas to help prevent them.



How many people died last week in the UK from fentanyl overdoses? How many from alcohol involved traffic accidents? More than this. Why is terror more terrible than unexpected death by other means?


> Why is terror more terrible than unexpected death by other means?

You haven't given this much thought have you. Describing mass murder as an "unexpected death" is not smart.

First of all, your overdose and traffic deaths are *accidents", there was no intent to murder involved. This means we work to minimise the likelihood of such deaths via preventative measures from education, health and legal through to building safer roads and vehicles.

Mass murder on the other hand is no accident and is less manageable. Murder affects the community more due to the nature of the crime. The callous intent leading up to the crime, the actual violence and consequences after.

When people ask "how can we prevent this", and the answers don't come as easily as preventing drunk driving, then obviously the problem is worse. Combined with brainwashed religious extremist ideology, you have yourself a more terrible problem than what road safety measures can ever hope to deal with.


> How many people died last week in the UK from fentanyl overdoses?

Hardly any. You really can't extrapolate from the bizarre US drugs situation to any other country.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

about 110 people per year from "other specified opioid", about 190 per year from "other unspecified opioid", making 300 / 50 = 6 per week.

Huge numbers of Americans take opioids. Opioid use in the US is far far higher than the UK.


A whole lot has already been done to reduce deaths resulting from drunk driving etc.

That said I think Theresa Mays suggestion is dangerous and inefficient.


Put simply, it's much easier to argue that you must sacrifice all liberty for protection against terror than against drunk driving. Terror serves your oppressor's needs better than anything else.


If you want to know why political and religious violence is worse than drug overdose and why we have to resist it, look at Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan. Although we can say it was Bush then Obama who destabilized the country by removing the tyrants, in the tyrants' absence, religion-influenced political struggles (ie. Sunni vs Shiite, Islam vs Kurd) blew the countries apart, and continues to blow the countries apart.

So drug addictions can be bad, but religously-motivated wars are worse because they will destroy everyone. Even stable countries like Saudi Arabia is not immune, and people are worried that the more radical elements there will take power if the country loses its wealth, wealth which is used to pacify the population.


I have an idea. The western populace especially the US, needs to take ownership of the wars they have voted for and the power vacuums they have resulted in. ISIS and taliban are proofs that if you vote for unecessary wars half way around the world, it will come back to bite you.

Its very convenient to now attribute the radicalization to "jihadi mentality", when the real answer is the much more painful realization that we contributed to this radicalization by voting in and re-electing war mongers. Its very convenient to say British born, "of Libyan descent", as if to distance a radicalized person's Britishness and attribute all their radicalization completely to their descent. Maybe looking inward for blame is the answer.


This.

Power vacuum is term so fitting i will be using it from now on. If you do personal research on this topic it becomes very clear. Even the rise of ISIS is possible because how US decimated countries like Iraq. You are left with almost no gov, scared frustrated population and space (vacuum) for new power to emerge.

I mean why are we so suprised that there are terorists from pakistan. US has had drones bombing the place since 2004. I am sure i am not the only one who would try to do something about it (eventualy figure out how to shoot it down). Paradoxically aren't Americans the first ones to take out their big guns from the basement to shoot trespassers - because it is their right?


Not This.

Give me a break. There is no relationship between a "power vacuum" and mass murder of innocent people by this so-called "power" you speak of.

If you allowed these "powers" to be in power by way of the ballot box, they'd be finished after the first few votes were counted.

Please don't give any credit or reasoning to these cancerous terrorist organisations. Never forget their idea of justice is to murder cartoonists because "they drew first" and to behead those who insult the prophet.

Don't give them motivating credibility by your political sympathising, you're not helping. When one of these assholes decides to knife someone in the street, they're not thinking "this is for the drone strikes", they're shouting God Is Great as they assume the role of "soldier of Allah". They are NOT thinking of the innocent victims of US drone strikes.


Good ol' two wrongs make a right.


I see the first wrong in the post you replied to.

Where's the second?




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