> We've got quotes from Linus himself in this thread that show a belief that their products do not provide value.
All I see is a link to some message where Linus calls these patches pure garbage. There's very little context, and the only borderline technical issue he points out is that grsecurity breaks things. If that is the message you're referring to, it only shows that the grsecurity patches are not aligned with Linus' values. That's a very different thing than the belief that they provide no value.
We know more about Linus' values, based on this old quote:
> I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys, in that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them.
So, for example, if your values place performance and compatibility with old (proprietary..) binaries above all else, then a patch that degrades performance and breaks compatibility with old binaries may as well be "pure garbage."
Yet, a lot of people are willing to sacrifice some performance & compatibility for improved security. Now whether grsecurity does that adequately is a debate I do not wish to take part in.
>If that is the message you're referring to, it only shows that the grsecurity patches are not aligned with Linus' values.
The thread is actually someone asking if it's worth taking a look at how grsecurity handles a large stack guard gap to get ideas for implementation in the kernel. Linus then responds saying to not bother with them.
It's a pretty clear condemnation of them in general, not just their shitty patch submission process.
All I see is a link to some message where Linus calls these patches pure garbage. There's very little context, and the only borderline technical issue he points out is that grsecurity breaks things. If that is the message you're referring to, it only shows that the grsecurity patches are not aligned with Linus' values. That's a very different thing than the belief that they provide no value.
We know more about Linus' values, based on this old quote:
> I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys, in that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them.
So, for example, if your values place performance and compatibility with old (proprietary..) binaries above all else, then a patch that degrades performance and breaks compatibility with old binaries may as well be "pure garbage."
Yet, a lot of people are willing to sacrifice some performance & compatibility for improved security. Now whether grsecurity does that adequately is a debate I do not wish to take part in.