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They are quite literally setting the prices of IPO's though, by fiat, and not via an auction or some other market-oriented mechanism.

I have no opinion about actual 'collusion' but the mechanism looks pretty bad seen from afar.



The banks compete against each other on price - the company gets to freely choose the underwriter and they take price into account.

Do you have evidence the banks are colluding on price?

Edit: to clarify, no the banks do not really set the IPO price. The banks offer different underwriting prices. The company ultimately chooses the price among the many banks' offers.


> Do you have evidence the banks are colluding on price?

Nope, which is why I wrote that I have no opinion on that. Edit: I think that very direct collusion would probably not be a stable arrangement, long term. But perhaps 'not competing too hard' between a low number of competitors with big barriers to entry is realistic.

> Edit: to clarify, no the banks do not really set the IPO price. The banks offer different underwriting prices. The company ultimately chooses the price among the many banks' offers.

That's still a way less transparent and market-oriented option than auctioning the shares. It's a hell of a lot easier for a few banks to be 'gentlemanly' in their competition than it is for lots of people trying to get some shares at an IPO via an auction.

I mean, we're discussing an IPO that was "oversubscribed" at the set price, meaning money was being left on the table, right?


> They are quite literally setting the prices of IPO's though, by fiat, and not via an auction or some other market-oriented mechanism.

Er, no, it's literally set by an auction (the auction occurring between the different banks who can underwrite the IPO).

A bank that is consistently able to predict the IPO opening-bell price better than the others, or is willing to accept a slightly smaller cut than the others, will win the auction, and will outperform the others on average.


> the auction occurring between the different banks who can underwrite the IPO

What do you mean? Do you have a reference?


I wouldn't characterize the activities between banks underwriting an IPO as an auction, probably closer to a negotiation [0].

This [1] is a well-written prose from Matt Levine on the role of underwriters in working with Snap prior to their IPO.

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-01-15/uber-is-r...

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-27/banks-tha...


How is that related to the claim of the IPO price being set by an "auction occurring between the different banks who can underwrite the IPO"?

Edit: thanks for the clarification


I've edited my comment above to be more clear.




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