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If you're going to leave a bunch of $1500 hives in a field, wouldn't it make sense to hide trackers in some of them?

Netflix's Rotten S01E01 covers much of the same material.



Yes it seems like that episode of Rotten covers this exact story?

At least from what I remember it was about a hive owner from Montana (?) who transported his bees to CA.


Rotten is such a fantastic docu-series. Are you aware of any other similar shows?


Dirty Money is a similarly themed one about corruption -- the first season covered a great maple syrup heist, Allergan pharmaceuticals, a Payday loan criminal, HSBC's cartel connections, the VW NoX emissions scandal, and Trump's business career.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80118100


The maple syrup heist episode is amazing. I still can't believe that's real.


Yup. Motion sensitive cameras, stamped frames with your details and the odd gps locator hidden in frames. It’s bad in New Zealand with the honey being very valuable (though less than half what the article cites, we use NZ dollars, which are worth half as much as US ones).


A thief could try to track the tracker, and remove it or even just leave that hive behind.


Nearby cameras and distinctive frames (here are some pink ones https://www.ecrotek.co.nz/product/honeymaxtm-full-depth-pink...). Brand the frames, brand the box and lock the hell out of everything.

A fair portion of thefts have been performed by staff at companies too, so that’s worth keeping in mind. Also, get on with neighbours. Putting masses of hives up against a propert boundary, specifically to target Manuka that’s grown next door tends to rile people up.


Better still, jam all GPS, GNSS, GPRS and 3G and 4G signals, along with 2.4, 5 Ghz and LoRa bands just to be sure. Specialized car thieves are already doing it, hive thieves probably not yet. Tracking and removing the tracker is more difficult and can be done later.


Remote systems could throw an alert if the tracking devices go dark past a timeout period. At a minimum, authorities could be quickly alerted with the last known location of the hives.


I don’t think you can really do that. Jamming mostly targets a receiver. Disrupting the signal that’s emitted by a tracking device would make you really easy to triangulate and find.


No need for that either, you could just jam the GPS receiver.


Jamming the GPS receiver or anything else on site would trigger an alert. Then law enforcement has a very small amount of time to arrive at a very remote location...


Can we track all cell phones in the field? It might be easier to track thieves than hives.


Or left those frames in another hive, creating a chaos of crossed accusations.


Let's say the amortized cost of a GPS tracker is, conservatively/high-end with a lifetime data plan for updates every hour: $100. Let's say the cost of mean average deployment is $10. Then the break-even point for hive theft is reached if losses are well over 7.33 (bar) %. (110/1500)

If losses are high, beekeepers will deploy them. If losses are low, deploying GPS would be more of a fear-based, emotional decision than a rational one.


The other piece of the puzzle is how meaningful the loss is; if such a theft is existentially threatening, and there's a reasonable chance of it, then it may still be deployed despite not actually saving money.


Exactly. Expected payoff is only useful if you have infinite resources. This is why most of us pay for insurance even though in the long run it's guaranteed to cost more than just self-funding any repairs or replacements.


in the long run it's guaranteed to cost more than just self-funding any repairs or replacements

If you're talking about home insurance then this is certainly not guaranteed. The primary purpose of home insurance is not in any case to safe you money on small repairs but to protect you from a total loss, say from fire.


Which is a short-run argument that does not refute GP’s point.


I mean, if you are at fault in an accident where several people sustain life-changing injuries, or your home is a total loss, or whatever, then you probably did end coming out ahead with the insurance. Insurance makes the most sense for perils which would be catastrophic for you.


It's insurance against beehive theft, not accident insurance. Are your company insurance policies sold in a package?


For the beekeeper in the story, it was catastrophic, in that it wiped out his chance for retirement, he said.


It's just an example.


Need only GPS trackers on a sample of the hives, no?


It depends on the distribution of thefts and % coverage.

If the losses are high enough, higher % of trackers would increase ROI (up to a point, depending if trackers were cheap enough). If losses are low enough or trackers very expensive, a few trackers here and there would insure against infrequent "cleaned out" thefts, e.g., serious illness healthcare insurance.


Only for that use case. From a logistics standpoint, which seems so important to the "modern beekeeper", it sounds like an easy thing to say yes to.

The question of "where are my bees?" can have a real-time answer and carries the benefit of knowing the temperature, humidity and other data available from remote sensors.


I have thought about the feasibility of an IOT beehive, maybe even with leaving/returning bees etc.

But the main issue would be the low profit of any individual hive. Save for some research projects, it wouldn't make sense economically.


Don't mobile radio signals disturb the bees? Maybe beehive trackers could use LoRa instead of 3G.


No need for lifetime data plan. You only equip some of the hives with trackers just when you're moving them to almond cultures where most thefts in the US occur.




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