The Air has a perfectly sane keyboard.

Yeah, if only I could get the 16" Pro with the keyboard of the Air. I need a bit more cpu power and ram than the Air can offer sadly.

Eh, my mid-2015 MBP with an i7-4780HQ and 16gb of memory will do for now. I occasionally bump into the memory limit but hopefully I can hold out until a fully sane keyboard is an option.

Either that or hacklapintosh it

Doesn't the 16" Pro have the new keyboard? Or are there multiple new keyboards around?

I have the 16" and the keyboard is glorious. I came from a 2015 MBP 15" and the keyboard feel is almost the same.

I use both the 16" and the 2020 Air, the keyboards feel identical to me.

I assume you're talking about the latest Air? I have the 2018 model and the keyboard is awful. Awkward to type on and it frequently registers single key presses as double-presses (or, sometimes, no press at all).

The air didn't get the good keyboard until this year.

And add the Esc to iPad keyboards while they're at it

13.4 added key remapping for hardware keyboards. I have caps lock mapped to control and the globe/international keyboard key mapped to escape.

What's your problem with the touch bar? My biggest was the lack of esc key, but they adjusted that.

I actually really like the touch bar. I don't use it very often, but I never used function keys.

I look at the screen when using a computer, not the top of my hands. Therefore a set of dynamic "keys" aren't adding value to my computer experience, and frankly I'd prefer the physical feedback of a key with actual travel (e.g. standard F# row).

The Touch Bar is, at its core, an anti-pattern for people who cannot touch type and frankly a cop-out because Apple didn't want to add a touch screen (due to the high cost of updating MacOS).

Personally, I brush my fingers across it all the time and trigger random functions.

A touch bar that was pressure sensitive with haptic feedback would fix it for me, but mixing keys that you need to press down with a screen you just have to touch in the same area just creates a mess.

I’m a touch typist, and don’t look at the keyboard much. The Touch Bar, being a large smooth piece of plastic, breaks this flow.

Additionally, the Touch Bar has awful latency... hundreds of milliseconds to reconfigure itself when switching between apps??

I use function keys all the time and am indifferent to the Touch Bar. It's fine. I just set it to show the function keys all the time and off we go. I don't need tactile feedback for keys for non-typing keys.

I use function keys extensively by touch. It's the most infuriating thing too when my hands drift while feeling for keys and I accidentally press a bunch of keys on the touchbar without realizing it.

I used a macbook with a touchbar for about 6 months. Never again.

Can't change the laptop volume with your eyes closed, I use my MBP to listen to podcasts in bed sometimes so like to alter the volume just by knowing where the keys are, not having to sit up and fumble with some touch screen widget.

FWIW, I have BetterTouchTool configured so that a two finger swipe/scroll anywhere on the bar adjusts volume and a three finger one adjusts brightness.