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I feel like a broken record but I must push back on the 'quality'. Just in personal experience, we've had macs swell up, keyboards repeatedly fail, expensive repairs.

Maybe the fit-and-finish is high grade but actualy _quality_ is alarmingly low, IMHO, especially for the price.

And if you're on a machine from 5 years ago, maybe you missed the recent plummet.



I'm not looking for what is good, just what's better. Do you have a recommendation for what is better in the PC world?


I think the person you replied to is saying that while the grade of macbooks is good (which normal people call quality), the quality of macbooks is not (ie, does what it says on the tin, and the keyboard lasts the life of the laptop).

It's the BMW argument. Great interior, power, handling. Feels like quality. Actual quality sucks because the thing needs more repairs than a Toyota.

https://www.brainbok.com/guide/pmp/study-notes/quality-vs-gr...


The Lenovo Thinkpad series is well built. The P50 (not sure what replaced it) is really solid, for example.


I have a T480 and it’s the worst laptop I’ve ever owned. Had to send it back once for repairs already. The regular charging port no longer works so I use one of the other USB-C ports, which is now crumbling from the inside. The touchpad moves on its own. And worse, a failed firmware update has corrupted the Intel Management Engine (MeSpiLock failed message every boot) that I refuse to install Windows to fix. Finally, the absurdity of the never-fixed throttling issue on Linux — and Docker if you use Windows — makes it an awful machine for any kind of development. I spent a good chunk of money on this computer and I feel stuck with it. I will stay far away from Thinkpads in the future. Wide berth advised.




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