HN, please read: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86

before you consider to use Pale Moon.

Vaguely reminiscent of an earlier controversy regarding qmail's removal from OpenBSD ports:

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=99867604230539&w=2

But that one was much more fierce, with the exchange culminating in:

> If you are not capable of understanding the difference, please, in the interest of mailing list pease [sic] and to be kind to our user community, why don't you just FUCK OFF? [1]

By comparison here it's rather mellow:

>> You will revise your mozconfig [...] to remove the following: [...]

> I will do no such thing [...]

1. https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=99907186120709&w=2

Somehow it manages to get even worse the more you scroll

Happy that Pale Moon exists, but I don't like the developers/maintainers and I don't find much value in the project so I don't use it.

What exactly is the argument for using the Pale Moon browser? I am genuinely interested since I see it floating around here and there but even when reading the descriptions on the website I have a hard time understanding what really distuingishes it from other browsers in a good way, especially Firefox.

It is my browser of choice because: 1. I feel in control. No auto updates in the background, no SoftwareReportingTool, no Pocket, no nonsense. 2. It has a certain "feeling" to it's use that I like. hard to explain. 3. It is more stable/predictable than other browsers in how it evolves.

Thanks for your input!

From what I recall, the main selling points for me were that it supported the old plugins and extensions.

Thanks, I understand.

i'm using it because it empirically runs faster with less resources on my machine than other browsers i tried while rendering feature-creep websites at a good degree, plus it supports old XUL-style firefox extensions - i guess the 'freedom' part points to this.

It might use fewer resources, but the JS engine chugs. That's fine if you're a No-JS ascetic, but the second you pull up a PWA it's hang city.

Thanks!

It started as a fork of Firefox when Mozilla decided to restrict UI customization, and make most existing add-ons incompatible. Partly it was also about how these changes were communicated. That was a couple of years ago.

For a while it was a better choice over the redesigned Firefox ("Australis"). I then switched to using Chromium, so not sure what the situation is now but it can't hurt to have more choice.

Thanks for the feedback!

This is the project's general information, https://www.palemoon.org/info.shtml

This is the project's technical details, https://www.palemoon.org/technical.shtml

Thanks for that but that was kind of my point. I don't get the argument for Pale Moon from reading this. "A browser with a large degree of freedom" - what does that mean, especially when one considers that few lines under that it says that the functionality of newer extensons cannot be guaranteed. Also it says that it's faster, but that seems like something all browsers claim. That's why I was a bit confused.

FF does not run acceptably on an old but otherwise perfectly good netbook with 2GB of RAM and Slackware. Pale Moon does.

I found it worked on an older Mac than similar browsers.

I can't install for Ubuntu 20.10, because the maintainer's respository has an expired key signature.

It seems that the key expired yesterday. :)

have not they said that WebComponents are not gonna be supported?

it doesnt have flatpak..... :-(