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Ask HN: Is the dev community too toxic toward aspiring developers?
9 points by halfmatthalfcat on Feb 2, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 3 comments
I was just having a discussion with some fellow devs about the toxicity levels aspiring or junior developers face as they try to break into the industry.

While there is an insane amount of information readily available to become self-taught, people within the community often gatekeep, unduly criticize or by pure ego, are toxic toward those trying to learn.

I personally feel that there are reasons on both sides for the toxicity:

- An unknown unknowns problem that creates false confidence in junior devs that grate more established developers.

- A dev marketing ecosystem that rewards learning frameworks and not languages.

- Dev tooling that obfuscates in the name of developer friendliness/onboarding.

I'm sure there are others but just curious as to everyone's take.



> I was just having a discussion with some fellow devs about the toxicity levels aspiring or junior developers face as they try to break into the industry.

Can you elaborate? Name some examples?

> An unknown unknowns problem that creates false confidence in junior devs that grate more established developers.

https://www.norvig.com/21-days.html


There was some discussion on Twitter on whether HTML is a programming language or not, flame war ensued.

Many aspiring developers choose frontend (and by extension, JS) as their first piece of the stack yet are ostracized by others because of the frontend ecosystem's baggage.

Bootcamp graduates are ostracized because of the general ethos around bootcamps.


From the outside this sounds more like a "the wrong kind of crowd" type of problem. There are many communities that have fruitful and interesting discussions and are accommodating and friendly to newcomers, beginners and the like. Usually whether "HTML is a programming language" and whether people come from bootcamps or universities are not hot topics or discussed at all.




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