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The Looming Arctic Collapse (thebarentsobserver.com)
51 points by PeterRoy on July 6, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 6 comments


It’s surreal to be sitting here in 2021, with the permafrost melt imminent — something I remember Al Gore talking about fifteen years ago as a really bad feedback loop we needed to avoid at all costs.


How can one decide to have a baby in 2021 being aware of these kind of events happening now or scheduled to happen rather soon?


Speaking for myself, because I want to have a child and there are plenty of people not being told not to have children. I see this appeal on the same level as "how can one decide not to live an ascetic life in %CURRENT_YEAR%" while corporations and countries decide unilaterally to fuck up our lives for decades to come.

When I go to the grocery store and 90% of the produce is wrapped in plastic, I'm not going to take responsibility for buying what I need and throwing the plastic in the trash.


I don’t understand if you are pro having a kid, against, or “if everyone else is doing it, so am I”. But if you are saying everything around us is worsening our future, I would think you’d be wary of putting a kid in that environment for the next 100 years?


I've seen people delude themselves with "my kid might be the one to solve the problem!" Mostly though, it seems people are just selfish.


You don’t. There are about a dozen major tipping points that are slowly coming together that will make the planet unlikely to support more than a billion or two - at best - by 2050. And likely no more than a few hundred million by 2100.

Bringing a child into this world today is to doom them to an early and likely violent death as billions of climate refugees tear the world apart in a desperate struggle for survival.




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