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Could someone explain to me why, after seeing how many exaggerated claims the author has made, they have invested their time into building up a community around it?

I'd be straight up terrified to trust anything serious with this guy's work.

In this instance, the demo won't even load for me and the documentation page can't be bothered to put the most basic of padding in it. Why even release publicly?

Promises, promises.



Yeah, it's absolutely wild. Even the main contributors don't really know what they're talking about, they just regurgitate the party line.

http://imgur.com/a/hUXR6s3

For instance, when asked how the memory management system works, here you see a team member give the standard response: the compiler inserts calls to free when it detects the variable is no longer used. This seems reasonable to anyone who hasn't thought much about PL/compilers before. But when pressed further, you see Alex admit "most stuff is simply cloned ATM" which is in stark contrast to the "autofree handles 90-100% of objects for you" on their homepage.

Or this where Alex shows he has no idea what UB is?

http://imgur.com/a/mbLtASH

UB is a property of the language's abstract machine. Common C UB like dereferencing a null pointer or signed integer overflow has well defined semantics on basically any commodity hardware manufactured in three decades and yet it is still UB not because of the runtime properties but because the C abstract machine says it can't happen and compilers are free to optimize based on that assumption. For a language that compiles to C and claims no UB, the author should have a much better understanding of this.


I confess that I've found it both enraging and depressing to see that the "bootstrapped-by-hype" model works even in programming language development, which I had (naively, I guess) assumed would be more immune to that sort of thing. I suppose the field is composed of fallible humans just like any other.


You can't even imagine, just wait until you run across C++.


Having tried out a bunch of different things without clear reward, it feels more like programming languages is 90% hype / fashion.


My honest opinion (as someone with no dog in this fight) is that the author was naive and really bad at PR, but is improving overtime.

I generally encourage new programming language efforts, so I'm willing to be more generous with forgiveness in the hopes that this succeeds.


It's not even a question of "how bad". There was way too much PR given how immature the project was, at least at the time. I don't think the author had had a lot of experience as a language designer / compiler implementer when the project was started. One advertised feature of the compiler was its supposed simplicity, such as getting along without an AST. I doubt this was a good choice and I think they ended up adding one in.

In my perception it was mostly sold as a piece of engineering by PR like this (quote from OP): Cheapest server $160 $20 $3.50 [2]


They made hugely exaggerated/false claims while raking in lots of Patreon money.


"Lots" is very, very subjective. What country do you live in? I would say (as an appreciative donor/patron myself) there has been very, very little in the way of direct donations to the founder himself. This is no "get rich quick" scheme. Frankly I don't know of any programming language that's ever been such a quickie in this regard.


https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 says they got $927/month some time ago, which is a decent amount of income I think. It seems to be less now.


Medvednikov seems to be good at marketing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Given the over-prommise-under-deliver launch of V, it boggles my mind that it gained so much traction on GH.


Same could be said about Elon Musk but he might become first trillionere. Sometimes you have to try bold stuff. I'm rooting for them.


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> Any actual valid examples of exaggerated claims?

How about this one:

> It will be launched this month. We're actually going to switch to Gitly CI, since Github Actions has been really slow for us.

I setup a reminder for 1 month.


> You create a new account to spam the thread with accusations, and links to biased articles (see my comment above).

If you'd just look at my comment history, it's obvious this isn't the case.

I don't understand, if it is this unready, why not test it locally?




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