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The main assumption that is incorrect here is that there is no alternative to the mRNA vaccines targeting the spike protein.

I'm not against vaccination but I would not recommend it to anyone after what it did to my body. Whatever it is.

Give me anything else and I'll take it, all I need is COVID risk reduction and due to where I am it will likely be one of the Chinese alternatives.



You have my sympathies if indeed you did have a severe adverse reaction from a Covid vaccine. I say "if" because honestly, anyone can say anything on the Internet. That doesn't make it true.

But let's assume it is: by itself, it's basically irrelevant. What you've presented, if 100% true, is an anecdote. These situations need to be looked at in aggregate. To start with:

- How common is it? Is it 1 in 10,000 or 1 in a billion? What level is acceptable?

- Is the likelihood of adverse effects related to Covid risk factors? Example: this submission is about the prospect of an elevated risk of myocarditis for young recipients of the Moderna vaccine. Well, that's also an issue for people who get Covid. So the vaccine's adverse reaction may go hand in hand with an elevated risk of severe Covid outcomes due to the same underlying risk factors;

- How does the likelihood of severe vaccine reactions compare to the decreased chance of severe Covid outcomes (eg being on a ventilator, long Covid, death)?

- Factored into the above, what about the improvement in outcomes for the population as a whole from having a sufficiently large number of vaccinated people (ie herd immunity)? This also includes people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine.

- Not getting the vaccine clearly increases severe outcomes from getting Covid. Based on the data, this is undeniable (eg 98-99% of Covid deaths are now among the unvaccinated). Being unvaccinated means you increase the chance of needing expensive medical treatment. It may also mean using up a bed that's needed for something completely unrelated to Covid (eg a heart attack).

On the last point, I guarantee you you'll be dealing with medical professionals who essentially have PTSD because they have to come to terms with the fact that they've chosen who gets to live and who gets to die because there simply aren't enough beds.

But sure, never mind that. There's a one in a million chance of an adverse reaction so screw em, basically.


This is a meaningless wall of text since you did not read my original message.

It is an attempt, one of so many, to victim blame. You might think that's not what you are doing because it is ok to attack any of the millions of statements like mine because in the end: each of them is an anecdote by themselves and since you make no effort to aggregate them. They always will remain that.

You are what's wrong in this situation.

Your anecdotal and marginal position is irrelevant because it fails to see the larger picture of available vaccines and complications. You are hyperfocused on myocarditis as if that is the only valid diagnosis of the issues we have or as if it was well known what the long term effects are of the un-named side effects caused.

I'm tired of this goalpost moving (mRNA vaccines against spike protein and the idea that the only side effect is myocarditis). And honestly if this is where you will hold your stand I think it's regretful you didn't suffer with us.


Can you elaborate? I know of a few females who had irregular menstrual bleeding.

I’ve posted this before. I’d like to understand this better: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/ THE RISK OF ADE IN COVID‐19 VACCINES IS NON‐THEORETICAL AND COMPELLING


I've had crippling chest pains and ended up in the ER after a heartattack-like symptoms later to be determined as "spasms with unknown cause". My cardiologist can't diagnose it, says he need and MRI which I would have to pay for out of pocket.

3 months later and I can do some degree of exercise but not the same amounts as before. I know more people, that I meet in person, with similar symptoms, just lesser degree and they have recovered faster. A couple fully.

There is definitely something going on here that is not being talked about because it's inconvenient. It's unnecessary as it only happens with one specific type of vaccine applied to a specific part of the disease. The effects last long enough that it's worth being cautious.




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