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You do realize that the issue in both cases is Russia right? Russia is not a democracy. If an insane dictator puts up nukes near you it’s a very different situation. Not at all the same thing.


Hate Putin and what he's doing in Ukraine right now, but,

- How is Ukraine joining NATO different from Cuba or Mexico joining a military alliance with Russia?

- Dictatorship argument is moot since US actively supports many evil dictator and provides them with financial and military support.

- Any country is right to be scared of the US as it has invaded/destabilized many countries in the last two decades including Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya.


Cuba has had a military alliance with Russia / USSR for decades.

Mexico has entirely different problems.

Neither of these countries got invaded or had their regime changed by the USA.

But I fail to see what this has to do with the Ukraine and the Russian invasion there, which is not theoretical.


> Neither of these countries got invaded or had their regime changed by the USA.

Cuba did, in fact, get invaded by the US. But not like Russia is doing to Ukraine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion


That's exactly what I had in mind. It's not as if the US didn't have other options. Bay of pigs was US supported but it wasn't the US doing the invasion, though without US support it would have never happened.


Cuba may be one of the few examples that might have a parallel in Mearsheimer's realism model: it would be a reasonable explanation of the foreign policy position the US has towards it even today.

That said, despite how shitty the US is towards it in terms of sanctions etc., there's certainly no boots on the ground invasion by the US.


So, Guantanamo Bay became a US military base by vote? Just because the Bay of Pigs disaster didn't involve regular US troops it was a CIA operation. Nobody in his right mind would call those "unmarked" troops in Eastern Ukraine anything else than a Russian invasion force.


wikipedia has an incomplete, yet still sobering, list of USA regime changes in Latin America:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...


> How is Ukraine joining NATO different from Cuba or Mexico joining a military alliance with Russia?

Well, it's different than Cuba doing that in that it never actually happened.


I would complain just as much if the USA decides to invade Cuba or Mexico. I also think that Cuba or Mexico should be free to join a military alliance with Russia.

I'm not sure what your point is.




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